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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Actually, Gates is saying the opposite of what you claim. They may have opinions about policy and they may be aware of the policy implications of their analysis but they will never cross the line to explicit policy assessment.
    Your splitting hairs with your semantics, seen by all. It started with you denying that a consensus amongst our intelligence agencies pointed out to Bush that his invasion and occupation of Iraq was not having it's intended effect, and you've been busier than a cat covering up **** trying to squirm your way out of your idiotic statement.
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'm not sure why you think your series of commonplace observations were important.
    And I'm not sure why you're even talking to me!!!!!!
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Far from kowtowing to policymakers, there is sometimes a strong impulse on the part of intelligence officers to show that a policy or decision is misguided or wrong, to poke an analytical finger in the policy eye. Policymakers know this and understandably
    resent it. To protect the independence of the analyst while keeping such impulses in check is one of the toughest jobs of intelligence agency managers. In this connection the policymaker sometimes has the sense that the CIA
    is attempting, at least by inference, to "grade" his performance. Further, the policymaker is often suspicious that when the CIA's analysis suggests his policy is failing or in difficulty, these conclusions are widely circulated by the Agency,
    with malice, for use as ammunition by critics of the policy in the Executive Branch, in Congress, or among the public. These suspicions are magnified by leaks that pit the policymaker against CIA in a contest for political advantage.

    http://media.nara.gov/dc-metro/rg-26...x-10-115-1.pdf
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Actually, Gates is saying the opposite of what you claim. They may have opinions about policy and they may be aware of the policy implications of their analysis but they will never cross the line to explicit policy assessment.
    Again Jack Ryan, you are back to arguing that when intelligence officers SHOW that a policy is misguided, they have not assessed the policy they are showing to be misguided.

    Again, I'll take the word of Gates confirming that his officers do in fact criticize policy, and I don't think you have any authority to claim the officers do not assess policy, explicitly or otherwise.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Your splitting hairs with your semantics, seen by all. It started with you denying that a consensus amongst our intelligence agencies pointed out to Bush that his invasion and occupation of Iraq was not having it's intended effect, and you've been busier than a cat covering up **** trying to squirm your way out of your idiotic statement.
    The invasion of Iraq was not undertaken primarily as a CT mission, and it's effect on terrorism was never going to be determinative. I merely pointed out that an intelligence assessment is only that, and this particular one surprised no one.
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Far from kowtowing to policymakers, there is sometimes a strong impulse on the part of intelligence officers to show that a policy or decision is misguided or wrong, to poke an analytical finger in the policy eye. Policymakers know this and understandably
    resent it. To protect the independence of the analyst while keeping such impulses in check is one of the toughest jobs of intelligence agency managers. In this connection the policymaker sometimes has the sense that the CIA
    is attempting, at least by inference, to "grade" his performance. Further, the policymaker is often suspicious that when the CIA's analysis suggests his policy is failing or in difficulty, these conclusions are widely circulated by the Agency,
    with malice, for use as ammunition by critics of the policy in the Executive Branch, in Congress, or among the public. These suspicions are magnified by leaks that pit the policymaker against CIA in a contest for political advantage.

    http://media.nara.gov/dc-metro/rg-26...x-10-115-1.pdfAgain Jack Ryan, you are back to arguing that when intelligence officers SHOW that a policy is misguided, they have not assessed the policy they are showing to be misguided.

    Again, I'll take the word of Gates confirming that his officers do in fact criticize policy, and I don't think you have any authority to claim the officers do not assess policy, explicitly or otherwise.
    And again, you have missed the subtle but crucial nuance in Gates' presentation. His formulation is exactly my point.
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And I'm not sure why you're even talking to me!!!!!!

    Because you are so fundamentally uninformed and misguided.
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    And again, you have missed the subtle but crucial nuance in Gates' presentation. His formulation is exactly my point.
    His formulation is that his officers criticize policy often, your point is that they do so without assessment of the policy they criticize. Your argument is claiming that these officers make ignorant criticism. That is a damning claim against your (supposed) brethren.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    His formulation is that his officers criticize policy often, your point is that they do so without assessment of the policy they criticize. Your argument is claiming that these officers make ignorant criticism. That is a damning claim against your (supposed) brethren.
    Gates is careful not to say that analysts criticize policy. Analysts analyze intelligence, and their analysis may have policy implications.
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Because you are so fundamentally uninformed and misguided.
    No Jack, you are. You asserted that the 2006 NIE wasn't for Bush's ear, and you've been running from it since.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No Jack, you are. You asserted that the 2006 NIE wasn't for Bush's ear, and you've been running from it since.
    I never said the 2006 wasn't for GWB. Every NIE is for the President.
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