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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Translation, ignore failed USFP that groups like Islamic State extremists have been the beneficiary of! Creating these "crisis" that you warmongers always want to throw our military at is good for business, good for the defense industry, but hard on human life. With a little sound policy in the Middle East, we wouldn't need all your scary fear mongering scenarios.
    Yes, you are correct, the US's failed Middle East policy has allowed the likes of ISIS to manifest. But it is not OUR failed police, it is YOUR failed policy. If the military had been listened to and allowed to do their job, the ME would be secure and the people would be electing their own leaders. But since the Anti-war and Isolationists movements have been listened to, all we have done is create vacumes of power which have allowed ISIS to spread. Great job!
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Yes, you are correct, the US's failed Middle East policy has allowed the likes of ISIS to manifest. But it is not OUR failed police, it is YOUR failed policy. If the military had been listened to and allowed to do their job, the ME would be secure and the people would be electing their own leaders. But since the Anti-war and Isolationists movements have been listened to, all we have done is create vacumes of power which have allowed ISIS to spread. Great job!
    I opposed arming the Mujahideen in Afghanistan that morphed into the Taliban so we could return to fight them. I opposed the first gulf war and going into Afghanistan and Iraq to begin with. I opposed supporting the Muslim brotherhood in deference to Mubarak, and removing Gaddafi and weakening Assad. Your naive if you think our military could have created democracy in that region of the world. . And let's not forget that by consensus, our intelligence agencies said that the invasion and occupation of Iraq caused an increase in global terrorism, and made America less safe, it's YOUR failed policy dude!
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I opposed arming the Mujahideen in Afghanistan that morphed into the Taliban so we could return to fight them. I opposed the first gulf war and going into Afghanistan and Iraq to begin with. I opposed supporting the Muslim brotherhood in deference to Mubarak, and removing Gaddafi and weakening Assad. Your naive if you think our military could have created democracy in that region of the world.
    Then you are in favor of a USSR controlled middle east. You are in favor of allowing cold war erra dictators to terrorize, and wipe off the face of the earth, their political enemies. You are in favor of leaders who assist terrorist organizations in carrying out their attacks. That is basically what your saying.
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Then you are in favor of a USSR controlled middle east. You are in favor of allowing cold war erra dictators to terrorize, and wipe off the face of the earth, their political enemies. You are in favor of leaders who assist terrorist organizations in carrying out their attacks. That is basically what your saying.
    I'm not in favor of the Islamic State, you must be. And the US has a long history of toppling democratically elected governments and replacing them with right wing dictatorships. The US is as big a sponsor of terrorism as any.
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    What a complete load of cowardly, neocon paranoia.
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm not in favor of the Islamic State, you must be. And the US has a long history of toppling democratically elected governments and replacing them with right wing dictatorships. The US is as big a sponsor of terrorism as any.
    The only reason the US has a history of toppling "elected" governments is because we beat the USSR in toppling "elected" governments. If the USSR had won the cold war, then the USSR would have a history of toppling "elected" governments. But of course, people like you have completely forgotten the cold war and want to erase it from history so you can re-write the history books to show the US as being the evil empire.
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    The only reason the US has a history of toppling "elected" governments is because we beat the USSR in toppling "elected" governments. If the USSR had won the cold war, then the USSR would have a history of toppling "elected" governments. But of course, people like you have completely forgotten the cold war and want to erase it from history so you can re-write the history books to show the US as being the evil empire.
    One dude on the Internet cannot make the US be an evil empire. If you support toppling democratically elected governments and replacing them with right wing dictators that oppress their populations, as we did all over Latin America, then you too are a hypocrite. The shinning city on a hill, leader, defender and promoter of democracy. Yeah you're naive.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    One dude on the Internet cannot make the US be an evil empire. If you support toppling democratically elected governments and replacing them with right wing dictators that oppress their populations, as we did all over Latin America, then you too are a hypocrite. The shinning city on a hill, leader, defender and promoter of democracy. Yeah you're naive.
    Again, I agree, what occurred during the cold war was horrible. However, it is ignorant to not look at it in the context of the time and to also only blame one side for what occurred. What occurred across the planet during that time was a result of rising superpowers (USSR and USA). Both countries were playing the geopolitical game in hopes they could control enough of the worlds resources in order to bring the other to its knees to prevent a nuclear conflict. In the context of the day, installing a dictatorship in order to maintain political influence over a country was seen as much more humane then risking the outbreak of a 3rd world war. Which would have killed many times more people then the 2nd world war just simply due to the increasing sophistication and destruction capabilities of new weapons. If the USA and USSR could fight over political influence and strangle their enemy without sparking WW3 or a nuclear conflict, this would be in the interest of the entire world. And that is what occurred. While people suffered, and died as a result of this fight over political influence, it saved hundreds of millions of lives.
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    What a complete load of cowardly, neocon paranoia.
    Let's ask the British tourists in Tunisa what they think of the "cowardly neocon paranoia"
    Let's ask the employees at Charlie Hebdo what they think of the "cowardly neocon paranoia"
    Let's ask the Yazidis and the Kurds in Iraq and Syria what they think of the "cowardly neocon paranoia"

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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm not in favor of the Islamic State, you must be. And the US has a long history of toppling democratically elected governments and replacing them with right wing dictatorships. The US is as big a sponsor of terrorism as any.
    A sadly predictable falsehood. In 1989 the people of Western Europe were not clamoring to be more like the East. Quite the opposite. After 1989 the newly free nations were eager to join NATO.
    Last edited by Jack Hays; 07-04-15 at 08:40 PM.
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