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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    I've already explained this, statistically 9-11 was such a huge outlier, including it would have heavily skewed the numbers away from the reality before and after that event. To date, it's a one off event.

    Also, when you start talking about numbers over 50, you're really just quibbling. Oklahoma was 168 dead... And that was just one of dozens.

    The point is, frequency of attacks is just as big a consideration as casualty count where terror is concerned. So playing the odds... I'd say it's much more likely there will be several more domestic attacks before we see a foreign one... If we see another foreign attack at all.
    As Jack Hayes said, you are simply rationalizing. There is no such thing as an "outlier" in such comparisons except for people trying to bend the statistics towards a predefined goal. By your rationale if a right wing radical group were to blow up the Sears Tower and kill 10,000 people you would have to disregard it in your evaluation of most dangerous groups for being an "outlier"... in other words, your rationalization in idiotic.


    Person 1: I've done the math and it is practically impossible for there to be a gorilla in this room.

    Person 2: Then what it this 800 lb furry ape in the middle of the room?

    Person 1: An outlier.
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    As Jack Hayes said, you are simply rationalizing. There is no such thing as an "outlier" in such comparisons except for people trying to bend the statistics towards a predefined goal. By your rationale if a right wing radical group were to blow up the Sears Tower and kill 10,000 people you would have to disregard it in your evaluation of most dangerous groups for being an "outlier"... in other words, your rationalization in idiotic.


    Person 1: I've done the math and it is practically impossible for there to be a gorilla in this room.

    Person 2: Then what it this 800 lb furry ape in the middle of the room?

    Person 1: An outlier.
    Thanks for sharing your myopic opinion. The article is about future threats and the conditions present in the here and now that give rise to concern. Past death tolls are not a primary factor. Current events, radical ideological chatter, societal pressures (whether economic, racial, religious, etc) ARE the principle considerations when assessing threat levels.

    Let's see if you can be intellectually honest enough to respond directly without changing the context of what I've said.
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You do realize that graphic is completely false, right?

    Hassan: Hassan was registered to vote in Roanoake, Virginia, a state that does not allow partisan registration. Ergo, it is legally impossible for him to have been a registered Democrat.

    Harris/Klebold: There is zero substantiation that either of their parents was a registered Democrat.

    Cho: Resident alien, couldn't vote.

    Holmes: James Holmes was not a registered Democrat, since he wasn't registered to vote.

    Lanza: Lanza wasn't either.

    The idea that recent mass shooters are mostly registered Democrats is a myth - Tulsa FBI | Examiner.com

    Just another lie from our right-wing friends.
    Kobie:
    Sorry for the delayed response. End of month is a busy time for accountants. I also rode the MS150 this past weekend. Good times!

    You are correct. I apologize for my lazy attempt at supporting my argument. I should have looked closer and researched before posting. Lesson learned. This picture went viral and was initiated by a partisan hack Republican senator.

    My assessment of these:
    Ft. Hood – Islamic jihadist, terrorism

    Klebold/Harris parents: The jury is still out on their whether they are progressive liberals. I have followed this case since the beginning as I live fairly close to Columbine HS. I am pretty sure that I saw something early on that stated they were. I will try and locate the source and post a link later.

    VT—Hated everyone, mental issues

    Theater: Holmes has mental issues. TBD if he is determined nutty enuf to escape DP. Self-proclaimed moderate. ABC mistook another James Holmes from Aurora who is a Tea-Party official. The killer is not a member of the Tea Party, but ABC and many followers went with it anyway. Kinda like the pic I posted.

    Sandy Hook—Again, severe mental problems, including severe anorexia and OCD. (6’, 112lbs. at TOD) He did, in fact, hate Christians. That is true. He was a Satanist and had an online page donated to ole’ Lucifer.
    Adam Lanza's former classmate reveals Sandy Hook gunman had 'online devil worshiping page' | Daily Mail Online

    Aside from the fact that I did not support my common sense argument with better examples is my fault. I should have just used Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy as examples. There is little disagreement as to political lean in these cases.

    Ted Bundy was active in the Republican Party and had a bright future in same if it wasn’t for his raping and murdering some 30-50 women across the country.

    Then there is John Wayne Gacy. He raped and murdered some 33 boys and young men. And…he was very active in the Democratic Party. So much so that first lady Rosalynn Carter posed for a picture with him.
    Gacy and Rosalynn.jpg
    “To John Gacy. Best Wishes. Rosalynn Carter.”

    And…you have our boy James Holmes claiming to be a “moderate”.

    So we have a very diverse group of people from all points on the political spectrum. The REAL correlations that I see are: mental problems and or drug use, and the vast majority of these mass killers are a male. Perhaps more work and research needs to be undertaken on the male psyche and better ID of warning signs.

    To reiterate my main point:
    Political leans do not correlate with increased or decreased probability of mass killings. Anybody who thinks this way must either have a very low intelligence or is an extreme partisan hack. Insanity and evil do not discriminate!
    However, the path of least resistance is to believe what we want to believe.

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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    Thanks for sharing your myopic opinion. The article is about future threats and the conditions present in the here and now that give rise to concern. Past death tolls are not a primary factor. Current events, radical ideological chatter, societal pressures (whether economic, racial, religious, etc) ARE the principle considerations when assessing threat levels.

    Let's see if you can be intellectually honest enough to respond directly without changing the context of what I've said.
    Haha! So your article of who is the most dangerous isn't really about the faulty SPLC selective study, but simply a prediction of future threats... based on the faulty SPLC selective study.

    Man, you should have stopped at your first rationalization.
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Haha! So your article of who is the most dangerous isn't really about the faulty SPLC selective study, but simply a prediction of future threats... based on the faulty SPLC selective study.

    Man, you should have stopped at your first rationalization.
    You've done nothing but rationalize your weak protestations by altering the obvious context of what I'm saying.

    I think it's hilarious that you think because of 9-11 the dozens of right wing domestic terrorist acts don't matter, are nonexistent, easily dismissed. Apparently there is zero threat from right wing extremists because of 9-11.

    And you think I'm rationalizing?
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    You've done nothing but rationalize your weak protestations by altering the obvious context of what I'm saying.

    I think it's hilarious that you think because of 9-11 the dozens of right wing domestic terrorist acts don't matter, are nonexistent, easily dismissed. Apparently there is zero threat from right wing extremists because of 9-11.

    And you think I'm rationalizing?
    Hah!! I never said that. I am pointing out that the study that supposedly shows that right wing groups are the greatest threat to the country had to ignore 9/11 to reach its conclusions. You got pissy and tried to rationalize the obvious statistical twisting. I explained why your idiotic rationalization was idiotic -- that you wouldn't reject a right wing attack that resulted in thousands of deaths as an "outlier" like you and SPLC do with 9/11 -- and you just got more pissy.

    I'm not rationalizing, I am doing a reasonable comparison to counter the bias POS "study" you are spinning off of.
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    You didn't think it would change did you? They always look to downplay it. Like I said it doesn't matter how many come out and give a warning.

    Only way they start truly worrying about it is, when it comes to their area and makes an impact. After the carnage.....you usually wont see those who always were out dismissing it.
    Yes which actually means they are willing to see people killed before admitting a threat.

    I just read on drudge that the FBI expects many terror cells to activate soon in the west, and now every FBI field office is on high alert.

    The FBI is not controlled by the house intelligence committee republicans-so the terrorist deniers in this thread have discredited themselves-its not just politics.

    Any excuse to rationalize away the problem will do for these people.

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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    Ike warning about the inclination of the military industrial complex to be politically invested in advancing that sector of our economy is found by you to be to a foil hat conspiracy

    but you are willing to believe that we are now confronted with a threat that is the HIGHEST our nation has EVER faced

    any remaining vestiges of credibility within your posts has now vanished
    politically invested? yes. As are most major sectors of the economy. Controlling? hardly.

    Do you like apples?

    The FBI is setting up command centers across the nation to monitor terror threats for the Fourth of July | Daily Mail Online

    The entire FBI is on high alert for this week. You have been discredited.

    how do you like them apples, guy?

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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    May I tell you something Jack?

    When I did my little time in RVN, I was defending nobody. Even though pseudo-patriotism afflicts so many today that if RVN is even mentioned, people fawningly say "thanks for your service", implying that I somehow saved the US by my actions there.

    I was defending nobody there, because RVN was no threat to the US. Remember, WE invaded THEM.

    And my nephew and other youngsters who have gone to Iraq and Afghanistan, and those automatons who man the Predators and other drones, do not defend me from anything at all. Like me 40 years ago, they are but sock puppets doing what they are told.

    So may I ask that in the future to please spare me the sanctimonious pseudo-patriotism shown by "who is defending who from what" sort of spin. Thanks much.
    maybe they werent a threat to the usa

    were they a threat to south vietnam?

    were they a threat to the region? cambodia, laos?

    how would that region look today if they had just been able to decimate the south?

    and is that part of our job as a world leader? to protect those that cant protect themselves?

    i think that is the new question for a lot of americans

    do we continue to be the policing force of the world?

    or do we just take care of ourselves?

    and what dangers lurk from both responses?
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin JB. Well, what they mean by that it is Higher than ever before. The reason is that, before......There was only AQ to worry about. Now there is AQ, Khorasan, Daesh, Ansar Al Sharia, and more pressing is the influence by Daesh to get others to go out and commit acts in their Name and for their Caliphate. Which has now entered its 2nd year.

    So it is a bit higher than it was with just worrying about AQ.

    Wouldn't you say that's a given?
    what i would say is that pretending this is The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Faced remains hyperbolic nonsense
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