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    Re: Gunn: Confederate part of state flag 'needs to be removed'

    But it's all right to fly the Mexican flag or the Muslim flag, right? That's ridiculous,, I'm shocked. The thing is not in flags, but in people. That flag should be one of the least of American concerns.

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    Re: Gunn: Confederate part of state flag 'needs to be removed'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
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    The South wanted to secede and the North never had a problem with slavery until then
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    That would make sense if you ignored, oh, I don't know -- a good portion of American history leading up to the war.

    Little things like history of our Constitutional compromises at the Founding,

    or things like the Missouri Compromise,
    the Nullification Crisis,
    the Wilmot Proviso,
    the Compromise of 1850,
    the Kansas-Nebraska Act,
    the 1852 SC Convention,
    Bleeding, bloody Kansas, Missouri ruffians...
    Sumners caning,
    the Dred Scott decision,
    the John Brown Affair,
    the threatened expansion of slavery in other territories... and every other ****ing detail that involved dealing with the South on the slavery issue that led up to the Civil War...

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    Re: Gunn: Confederate part of state flag 'needs to be removed'

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    That would make sense if you ignored, oh, I don't know -- a good portion of American history leading up to the war.

    Little things like history of our Constitutional compromises at the Founding,

    or things like the Missouri Compromise,
    the Nullification Crisis,
    the Wilmot Proviso,
    the Compromise of 1850,
    the Kansas-Nebraska Act,
    the 1852 SC Convention,
    Bleeding, bloody Kansas, Missouri ruffians...
    Sumners caning,
    the Dred Scott decision,
    the John Brown Affair,
    the threatened expansion of slavery in other territories... and every other ****ing detail that involved dealing with the South on the slavery issue that led up to the Civil War...
    Explain why the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 wasn't repealed until 1864.

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    Re: Gunn: Confederate part of state flag 'needs to be removed'

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    That would make sense if you ignored, oh, I don't know -- a good portion of American history leading up to the war.

    Little things like history of our Constitutional compromises at the Founding,

    or things like the Missouri Compromise,
    the Nullification Crisis,
    the Wilmot Proviso,
    the Compromise of 1850,
    the Kansas-Nebraska Act,
    the 1852 SC Convention,
    Bleeding, bloody Kansas, Missouri ruffians...
    Sumners caning,
    the Dred Scott decision,
    the John Brown Affair,
    the threatened expansion of slavery in other territories... and every other ****ing detail that involved dealing with the South on the slavery issue that led up to the Civil War...
    Yea, the North thought slavery was so repugnant they allowed it to continue for over 80 years.

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    Re: Gunn: Confederate part of state flag 'needs to be removed'

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Explain why the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 wasn't repealed until 1864.
    You tell me why you think it wasn't.

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    Re: Gunn: Confederate part of state flag 'needs to be removed'

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    You tell me why you think it wasn't.
    I'm not the one arguing that leading up to the war the North was full on anti-slavery.

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    Re: Gunn: Confederate part of state flag 'needs to be removed'

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    I'm not the one arguing that leading up to the war the North was full on anti-slavery.
    The quote I replied to was: "the North never had a problem with slavery until then."

    Do you deny all these major events in history, and all the wrangling and compromising with the slavers over the matter occurring before?

    What's your point with the FSA? The South dominated Congress by and large --

    They dominated because of that bloody compromise which gave them way more representation than they actually had, conferring their property count to be realized as Congressional representation.

    The North repeatedly introduced legislation to repeal it, South / Democrats / pro-slavery factions reigned in congress. Votes. You know how that works, eh?

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    Re: Gunn: Confederate part of state flag 'needs to be removed'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Yea, the North thought slavery was so repugnant they allowed it to continue for over 80 years.
    Most of the Northern states had abolished it -- or took measures to abolish it, before the Constitution had been written.

    By 1830, how many slaves were there in those original Northern states?

    BTW: We're pretty proud of our many abolitionists and our Underground Railroad too.

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    Re: Gunn: Confederate part of state flag 'needs to be removed'

    As I understand it, that "rebel' flag did not even fly, from the end of the civil war, until 1962 when SC decided to fly it to symbolize their protest of the federal government when segregation was being pushed alongside civil rights. This was their way of basically shooting Uncle Sam the bird.

    If SC still stands by that, if they are against these civil rights and integration of blacks along side whites, they should have every right to display their feelings any way they choose. (Freedom of speech and all that.) But don't come hand me that "southern heritage," bull****. If that was the case, it would have been flying long before 1962. I hate it when people try to piss on our heads and tell us it's raining.

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    Re: Gunn: Confederate part of state flag 'needs to be removed'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
    The Stars and Bars is just as offensive as the Swastica.
    that's really stupid. I couldn't care less what another state decides to fly as its state flag but that sort of nonsense is just plain hilarious. The stars and bars and its "nation" existed for 5 years and was a symbol of rebellion and part of that rebellion was over slavery. The Stars and stripes existed for almost 100 years when slavery was legal in most if not all of the country. and this is coming from a guy who is head of a family that featured the first Union Commander attacked by the rebellion and had several members of my family serve in the general rank in the Union



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