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    Re: Marines looking at deploying aboard foreign ships

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Actually, the Navy has been growing since President Obama took the helm.

    During the George W. Bush administration the Navy fell to it's smallest size since the 19th century.

    Since Obama took office he's slowly been building it back up.

    But you have to understand that the Navy can't just snap its fingers and miracle ships up out of nowhere.

    America's shipbuilding capacity isn't what it once was and building eight or ten amphibious ships, the quantity necessary to meet the demand from the combat commands, is going to take time, especially considering that the Marines aren't the only people in the DOD with a need for ships and has to share the limited capability to lay down hulls with the deep water Navy.

    We also have to look at this from President Bush's perspective, though, and understand that he and the Congresses he was dealing with were fighting active ground wars for most of his presidency and the need to fund those wars was eating up the defense budget (and then some) hand over fist while he was, at the same time, trying to cut taxes (or at least not implement new taxes).

    As much as he might have liked to plan for the future of force projection he had his plate full with the here and now.

    There are a great many things that president Obama has messed up, but this situation with Marine transport ships is not something that can be laid at his feet.
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    If the navy is growing, its because it has needed the funding the most (and it also supplies the marines). We have the smallest number of operable carrier fleets which are the backbone of our navy.

    I understand it takes years to build ships (ive been following the Zumwalt closely for example) but we still have a net decline in our capabilities-and thats where my problem lies.

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    Re: Marines looking at deploying aboard foreign ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This is pretty silly. Budgets shrink when it is needed. Ours, even at levels slightly bellow those of 2010, still surpasses that of any other nation. The same with our military equipment. Hell, we could decommission half of our military equipment and we'd still have more than enough to overcome those of their militaries. What's your next non-point?



    All of that diatribe because you're still in denial. I specifically pointed to our actual military capabilities which vastly surpass those of any other supposed threat around the world. I specifically posted the words of people who have served in the armed forces unlike you or I. I specifically highlighted the resources at our disposal. Yet here you are, still going"Nuh-uh! Them's emboldened!"
    Our capabilities are diminishing under Obama, and in a world thats becoming more dangerous. Just another part of Obama's legacy.

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    Re: Marines looking at deploying aboard foreign ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    "And it's all Obama fault!"

    It must be so fulfilling to do nothing during one's breaks from "saving lives" other than regurgitate this dishonest crap onto the forum all day.
    It is pretty sad that members of the military who have served are saying one thing, that it can be explained in a detailed post and people will still scream "BUT OBAMA!" - There really is nothing like a bit of critical thinking.
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    Re: Marines looking at deploying aboard foreign ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Our military can be effectively deployed. Ship building capabilities haven't caught up to the actual number of people in the military. This was already explained to you by a poster who has served. Do you have any other non-points?
    Our military can be deployed if it hitches a ride with other nations. And as already mentioned, we are going to leave naked a terror hotspot-but then again, Obama doesn't really plan to fight ISIS beyond symbolically anyway.

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    Re: Marines looking at deploying aboard foreign ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It is pretty sad that members of the military who have served are saying one thing, that it can be explained in a detailed post and people will still scream "BUT OBAMA!" - There really is nothing like a bit of critical thinking.
    Propagandists aren't paid to think critically. Just regurgitate lie after lie after lie.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Marines looking at deploying aboard foreign ships

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Our military can be deployed if it hitches a ride with other nations.
    This happens when ship numbers haven't caught up to recruitment numbers and because the waiting list has multiple demands. It was already explained to you and you completely glossed over it. Why are you so in denial?
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    Re: Marines looking at deploying aboard foreign ships

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Right how, the U.S. remains the world's foremost power. However, it is important to be able to wage and win more limited conflicts than existential ones. Otherwise, its interests and allies will be in a weakened position, as it is unlikely that the U.S. would threaten the destruction of another country or countries, much less carry it out, if only its own vital or critical interests were not at stake.

    That the number of U.S. combat troops has been decreasing and that the U.S. was not able to secure conclusive outcomes in either Afghanistan or Iraq (regardless of what one things of the decisions to go to war) suggests that the U.S. has areas where it needs to improve.
    You are correct which is why strategically, this is a very unwise move.

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    Re: Marines looking at deploying aboard foreign ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This happens when ship numbers haven't caught up to recruitment numbers and because the waiting list has multiple demands. It was already explained to you and you completely glossed over it. Why are you so in denial?
    I dont blame people for not wanting to go into the military under Obama, but the fact remains that we can't fulfill missions because of Obama's budget cuts as mentioned in the OP-you did read the article, right?

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    Re: Marines looking at deploying aboard foreign ships

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Right how, the U.S. remains the world's foremost power. However, it is important to be able to wage and win more limited conflicts than existential ones. Otherwise, its interests and allies will be in a weakened position, as it is unlikely that the U.S. would threaten the destruction of another country or countries, much less carry it out, if only its own vital or critical interests were not at stake.

    That the number of U.S. combat troops has been decreasing and that the U.S. was not able to secure conclusive outcomes in either Afghanistan or Iraq (regardless of what one things of the decisions to go to war) suggests that the U.S. has areas where it needs to improve.
    Combat troops decrease as technological capabilities advance. What use to take special forces, and entire battalions (I'm being facetious here) of people to accomplish can now be done with a drone, and a 25 year old sitting in Virginia. This has little to do with actual ship building capabilities as has already been explained.
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    Re: Marines looking at deploying aboard foreign ships

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I dont blame people for not wanting to go into the military under Obama, but the fact remains that we can't fulfill missions because of Obama's budget cuts as mentioned in the OP-you did read the article, right?
    You failure to address anything which has been posted is noted.
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