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Thread: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

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    Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds | MSNBC
    In the wake of a racially charged mass shooting that left nine African-American parishioners dead at a historically black church in Charleston, South Carolina, Republican Gov. Nikki Haley on Monday will call for the Confederate flag outside the state capitol to be taken down, sources confirmed to NBC News.
    Haley will deliver the remarks during a scheduled 4 p.m. ET press conference amid mounting pressure to remove the controversial flag following the massacre, which authorities have called a hate crime.
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    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    I explained in another thread why I believe the flag should be taken down, and that just because the flag is a symbol doesn't mean that it does not have actual consequences:

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    It does belong in a museum. It may be symbolic on the face of it, but symbolism has real life consequences. As long as states like South Carolina continue to fly confederate flags on official government property and name streets after confederate generals and such, it is going to keep the issue of racial tension at the forefront of people's minds. The presence of remnants of institutionalized racism such as these symbols only encourage heinous and racist acts such as the Charleston shooting. Black people in South Carolina are literally driving down streets named after generals that fought to keep their ancestors enslaved, and their very state government flies the flag of a rogue nation whose primary purpose for existing was to preserve slavery. That is going to bring racial tensions to the forefront of people's minds. If people want to actually display confederate flags, that free speech and their right, albeit in very poor taste, but this active government endorsement of these symbols is clearly hurting the state of race relations, and if a clear proportion of the population wants a flag that brings no obvious benefits taken down, then by all means it should be.
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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    I explained in another thread why I believe the flag should be taken down, and that just because the flag is a symbol doesn't mean that it does not have actual consequences:
    That was a great post and you said it much better then I can.

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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Leave the flag. In the same way that it's wrong to punish all citizens by taking away their guns when nuts go on a rampage, so it is wrong to attempt to take away history and culture, just because you don't like a symbol.

    The Confederacy and the flag, do not represent slavery except to a few select nuts that adopted the flag for their own hateful purposes. The flag became a symbol of rebellion against the occupying unioners after the Civil War, during the Restoration. The unioners burned, raped and pillaged - and this was after the war was over. The south held on to their flag as a symbol that they would survive and rise again against the aggressors.

    And, for those that think Lincoln fought the war over slavery - think again. Emancipation was a by-product of the war.

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    I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.
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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    It's up to the people of each state to determine what their flag looks like.
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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It's up to the people of each state to determine what their flag looks like.
    The "Stars & Bars" (Confederate) flag in question is not the South Carolina state flag.

    The "Stars & Bars" do not appear, in any way, on the SC State flag.

    The flag that is under debate here is a "Confederate" flag that hangs in front of the SC state building along with the State flag.
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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It's up to the people of each state to determine what their flag looks like.
    Indeed, Bill Clinton was all about the Confederate flag.




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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Indeed, Bill Clinton was all about the Confederate flag.





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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds | MSNBC
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    I would respectfully move the battle flag to a war memorial on state land. Then, deed the immdieate land to a confederate heritage group. The group would then be responsible for maintaining the site.

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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds | MSNBC

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    I think the decision should be South Carolinians'.

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