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Thread: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

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    Re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

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    The Nazi flag was created for and used by a racist. Now...should those German citizens be shamed to fly a German flag?
    What pride would there be in displaying symbols that represent one of the most monstrous regimes ever? Germany has outlawed political/propaganda displays of NAZI symbols.

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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Sorry...but thats just hype and rhetoric. That flag was not created to promote white supremacy and "Jim Crow" (the fact that you drag Jim Crow laws into the argument says more about you and your intent than anything I can say about the history of the south).
    The battle flag WAS RESURRECTED by the Dixiecrats and the KKK in the late 40's-60's as a symbol of White dominance to counter civil rights actions.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Do you connect with a southern heritage?
    I don't know what you mean by that.

    I certainly reject the racist part of that heritage, as do all decent Southerners in 2015. But I don't pretend it didn't happen or was reserved for a few bad apples. I'd have to willfully ignore the entire history of this region to believe that. What I also acknowledge is people change and regions change and where I live is not the same place as it was in 1950 or 1960. So why keep a symbol of that era and proudly fly it on the grounds of the State Capitol?

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    Re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Sorry...but thats just hype and rhetoric. That flag was not created to promote white supremacy and "Jim Crow" (the fact that you drag Jim Crow laws into the argument says more about you and your intent than anything I can say about the history of the south).
    I didn't say it was "created" for that purpose. What I said was it enjoyed a massive resurgence in popularity during the period of bitter battles over civil rights and Jim Crow laws, ultimately struck down by Congress and the Courts over the vehement objections of white Southerners.

    And, again, that flag was first raised on the Capitol in 1961 as SC and the rest of the South was fighting to maintain Jim Crow and white supremacy, and it stayed there for 37 years before it was moved to its current location. It's part of history. If you think that history is wrong, tell me where.

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    Re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That is a damning quote, but it's more damning in what he is explicitly rejecting, so I'll post that:



    Pretty stunning. Hard to read that and conclude the Confederacy was about 'states' rights' or tariffs or some other nonsense. They told us in their own words, crystal clear, what the Confederacy was all about - preserving white supremacy and slavery.
    If the Union was so fundamentally opposed to slavery why did they let it persist for nearly 80 years ?

    The Stars and Stripes ( Northern Flag ) and legalised slavery co-existed allot longer than the Confederate flag and slavery did.

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    Re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    The battle flag WAS RESURRECTED by the Dixiecrats and the KKK in the late 40's-60's as a symbol of White dominance to counter civil rights actions.
    It's pretty incredible that we're supposed to ignore that easily documented history and pretend that flag, that distinctive one, has some sort of benign modern history.

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    Re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    This is such a non issue.

    Something tells me there are more important issues that need to be addressed especially in inner city areas.

    Alarming Surge In Murders And Shootings In Baltimore CBS Baltimore

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    Re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    If the Union was so fundamentally opposed to slavery why did they let it persist for nearly 80 years ?
    I have no idea what that question has to do with the quote you just read by Stephens.

    But it was allowed to exist because if the Founders had insisted on the end of slavery as a condition for the new country, we'd never have had a country, or at least one that included the Southern states. Their economy was based on it and would crater in its then form were the slaves freed. So it was a necessary compromise.

    The Stars and Stripes ( Northern Flag ) and legalised slavery co-existed allot longer than the Confederate flag and slavery did.
    Yes, I realize that, but have no idea what the point is. You're just frantically shifting the goal posts here. We're not talking 1700s or even 1861 or 1870. The relevant history of the flag in question is in this century, from the 1940s or so through the 1960s when it was raised in defiance of the Feds forcing civil rights on reluctant southern states.

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    Re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    This is such a non issue.

    Something tells me there are more important issues that need to be addressed especially in inner city areas.

    Alarming Surge In Murders And Shootings In Baltimore CBS Baltimore

    LOL, more shifting goal posts.

    And you're repeatedly posting in a thread about a subject that is a 'non-issue'...........

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    Re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I don't know what you mean by that.

    I certainly reject the racist part of that heritage, as do all decent Southerners in 2015. But I don't pretend it didn't happen or was reserved for a few bad apples. I'd have to willfully ignore the entire history of this region to believe that. What I also acknowledge is people change and regions change and where I live is not the same place as it was in 1950 or 1960. So why keep a symbol of that era and proudly fly it on the grounds of the State Capitol?
    So you are equally in favor of eliminating several state flags, the US Flag, and many others that by some are seen as banners of oppression because some have abused and misused them?

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