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Thread: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

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    Re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Why doesn't she remove the flag and then they can debate/vote to put it back up?
    Based on what Goshin said earlier, I believe she'd be breaking the law if she did that. Goshin I believe mentioned that a law was passed requiring a 3/4ths majority in the state senate to remove the flag from the capital.

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    Re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    It's the right of the people of South Carolina to decide how the flag is displayed on State property. Personally I don't care what they decide. I have no dog in the fight, so to speak. If the Governor wants to remove it and the people support her, it should be removed. If the people don't support her, she will be removed. That's the way democracy works. it's the tyranny of the majority.
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    Re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    As always, it depends on whether the person complaining and the person flying the flag is left-wing or right-wing. Even in Texas.

    For example, a school principal in Texas was ordered to take down a Mexican flag he flew at school...and leftists pitched a fit because of that.

    Mexican flag fuels immigration debate - Houston Chronicle

    Well MC....the leftwad don't want flags on Government Buildings or property. In any States.....so I say lets oblige them. Passing laws that no flags but the Nation Flag can be on the premises.

    This would mean no Flags on government property whatsoever. Not for Protests, not for supports of any groups or the issues they stand for.

    This would include the lefts LGBT Flags and any other flags the left likes to walk around with.

    Lets watch and see them cry and whine about that issue now.

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    Re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Quick question: If a German decided to fly the Nazi flag under the premise that their ancestors did so, and they want to honor those ancestors and what they fought for, not necessarily the whole burning Jews in gas ovens part, would anybody buy it?
    The Stars and Stripes, the Flag of the North, flew for over 80 years while Slavery was legal.

    Allot longer than the Confederate flag flew. Also the Confederate flag was a Battle flag, not a National flag.

    The National flag of the South had a different design.

    And yes, the North used slaves. Really, the North never had a problem with slavery until the South wanted to secede.

    Come to think of it, Dutch, English and Porteguese Ships brought slaves over to the US.
    Should those flags be taken down ?

    Maybe if people were more educated they wouldn't be so insulted over a flag.

    They definitely wouldn't compare it to the Nazi flag, thats for sure.

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    Re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    I find it funny that you find it more important to attack me and defend big government bureaucracy. LOL

    What will they do to her if she orders it removed?

    How I am attacking you by pointing out a governor cant just decide to do what they want.

    Why is it fall back to playing victim due to you not reading the thread?

    If she orders it to be taken down.....they will just ignore her. Might have to do with some law that came out of legislation, huh?

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    Re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    Wow - the sound of a mind slamming shut.

    Like I told another poster - I'm sure you'll win this one.

    To claim that SC adopted the flag for racist purposes tells me all I need to know. You're intent on repeating the propaganda, no matter what.
    My mind is recognizing the documented history of that flag. All you're doing is ignoring it and making unsupported assertions that the flag wasn't raised for racist reasons, in the middle of the fight for civil rights, by white leaders vehemently opposed to extending civil rights to their black citizens. Of course not! It's just a coincidence that a symbol of the Confederacy was raised in the middle of those bitter civil rights disputes! The white legislators bitterly opposed to ending Jim Crow were just raising the flag to honor their past, but not their racist, white supremacist past but the good part of that past, that was entirely dependent on the economic exploitation and ownership of other people.

    Sorry, but if you think there is an alternative reason why that flag was first raised on a flagpole in S.C. in the 1960s, present that alternative reason. Is it common during historical commemorations to fly historical flags on your Capitol, for DECADES?

    And explain why Georgia adopted it as part of their flag in 1956, and why the Confederate flag was flown at the Dixiecrat convention.....

    There are actually more than one flag of the Confederacy and none of them symbolize racism to the South in general. Only to small extremist groups.

    You will believe what you will believe and no amount of history will change that.
    OK, then cite me the history of the Confederate battle flag in S.C. and explain how that history supports your view. When was it raised over the Capitol, for what purpose, what was the backdrop, what else was happening in the broader society, how long did it remain atop the Capitol, etc.
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    Re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    How I am attacking you by pointing out a governor cant just decide to do what they want.

    Why is it fall back to playing victim due to you not reading the thread?

    If she orders it to be taken down.....they will just ignore her. Might have to do with some law that came out of legislation, huh?
    Haley just called for it to be taken down on the State capital grounds, she didn't order it. I believe that in South Carolina it has to go through the legislature which at this point is in process. if the legislature says it has to go, it goes. The governor can't do that by herself. If was Obama however, he has a pen and a phone.
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    Re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The Stars and Stripes, the Flag of the North, flew for over 80 years while Slavery was legal.

    Allot longer than the Confederate flag flew. Also the Confederate flag was a Battle flag, not a National flag.

    The National flag of the South had a different design.

    And yes, the North used slaves. Really, the North never had a problem with slavery until the South wanted to secede.
    So the South decided to secede from a North that had no problem with slavery? And then cited long lists of grievances about how the North was increasingly hostile to slavery as their reason for seceding? That's your interpretation of the historical record? LOL....

    Come to think of it, Dutch, English and Porteguese Ships brought slaves over to the US.
    Should those flags be taken down ?

    Maybe if people were more educated they wouldn't be so insulted over a flag.

    They definitely wouldn't compare it to the Nazi flag, thats for sure.
    Some of us are recognizing the recent, documented history of that flag. Such as when it was first raised above the S.C. capitol, what else was happening at that time, that other states bitterly defending Jim Crow and the continued subjugation of blacks also adopted that flag in that same era, etc.

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    Re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the flag of Hawaii has the union jack in it... is that OK to fly?.. or is that somehow different?
    Cmon Thrilla you can't bring up Hawaii and BO's place of Birth.....it use to be a kingdom of its own.

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    Re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The Stars and Stripes, the Flag of the North, flew for over 80 years while Slavery was legal.

    Allot longer than the Confederate flag flew. Also the Confederate flag was a Battle flag, not a National flag.

    The National flag of the South had a different design.

    And yes, the North used slaves. Really, the North never had a problem with slavery until the South wanted to secede.

    Come to think of it, Dutch, English and Porteguese Ships brought slaves over to the US.
    Should those flags be taken down ?

    Maybe if people were more educated they wouldn't be so insulted over a flag.

    They definitely wouldn't compare it to the Nazi flag, thats for sure.


    That's alright Fenton. We just wont have any flags on government property. Lets make it fair and equal for everybody. Not even for protest or support.

    Like I mentioned, then the LGBT crowd wont feel like they are just the very special people in the country anymore.

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