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Thread: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    The flag's removal is going to do nothing but incite racial animosity.
    Which race is going to feel animosity towards another race?

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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Even if you think its the "wrong" sort of history-being a civil war it impacted everyone and it still does to this day. That flag represents AMERICAN history, not just the confederacies history.

    For 150 years Americans could deal with this, suddenly now its a problem? Or could it just be a silly feel good response to the Charleston shooting?
    The idea that the confederate flag is a problem "suddenly now" is ... well, wrong. There was a statewide referendum on it in South Carolina in 1994, and there have been similar controversies in other states.
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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It's up to the people of each state to determine what their flag looks like.
    True. The people of South Carolina have deemed their flag should look like this

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    ...as to the matter of the Confederate Battle Flag flying over the war memorial there, that is also being handled at the state level.

    That does not remove, however, our right as people to suggest to the citizens of South Carolina, what they should do in the circumstance. The state has the ultimate to chose; but we retain the right to critique.
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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I see the point, but there have been a number of conversations going on around this shooting and this is just one of them. Lots of us see a bigger problem and have been discussing it, and having fundamental disagreements about THAT as well.

    The only reason I participated is I think the history of that flag is pretty clear, it rose in prominence at a time when the states were fighting FOR Jim Crow, and no state should be blessing that symbol in 2015 as anything but an historical relic, and there are better options than THAT flag at that prominent location for that purpose. So I see it as entirely appropriate for it to be taken away. Not because it will accomplish some great goal, but because it just IS offensive to some large majority of the state's population and especially the black population who were on the receiving end of racists flying THAT FLAG while attempting to preserve state sponsored white supremacy. The flag is, IMO, an insult to blacks. And that is fine in a museum, along with whips and chains or "Whites Only" signs, etc.
    Well, that's the thing with symbols. They mean different things to different people. No self respecting Southerner is advocating for slavery. No self respecting Southerner is opting for Jim Crow's return. Just like no self respecting Southerner is gonna let no god damn yankee bastard tell'em how they're gonna handle their own affairs.

    Side note: I was just in Memphis and Mississippi this past March. Wonderful time. Black folks and white folks got along just fine. The friendliness to all toward all was amazing. Matter of fact, the only noticeable hostility I encountered was toward myself and wife from white people. The Ranger managing Shiloh NMBP became stone faced but polite when I asked him a question and he heard my accent and another from a waitress at a local restaurant, switched from friendly to cordial when realizing she was serving a couple Yankees...

    The thing I'm saying is that it is important to not push your narrative on others and call it right as they might see things in a completely different light. That's the kinda thinking that caused the Civil War in the first place.
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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    So with the removal of the Confederate flag from US state poles...is this a sign of movements towards better race relations?
    I thought you said all was better now.
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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Which race is going to feel animosity towards another race?

    It might be hard, but take an educated guess...
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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds | MSNBC

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    You didn't include a "no opinion" choice, so I didn't respond to your poll.

    The reason I have no opinion is that I'm not a resident of SC. Whether the flag should come down or not is not my call.

    Haley is a resident of SC, so she has a right to express her opinion...just like any other resident.

    btw, from what I understand, the flag won't come down just because the Governor says so. The State Legislature has a say in the matter. Anyone who is a resident of SC...feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

    If I'm right, the I suggest the rest of you don't get bent out of shape if the flag is still there tomorrow. Sometimes the wheels of government...even at the State level...move slowly.
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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    I thought you said all was better now.
    No, I never did....and you are avoiding my question to you.
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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    No, I never did....and you are avoiding my question to you.
    Get it yet?
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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Roof has accomplished his mission.
    As we see on this thread and in most threads on this board.
    To further divide America on racial relations--with other offshoots to the Confederate flag, guns and what have you .

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