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Thread: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Its going to be a done deal.....S Carolina will give it up. Take down the Flag. Next will be any monuments dedicated to the Confederates, Right?

    Senators Tim Scott, Lindsey Graham and RNC Chairman Reince Preibus have also called for its removal.....snip~
    Unsure on the Monuments, but I can see the argument to remove the Confederate Flag flying over those as well. My core issue is this, there is only so much you can say to twist up the intentions of the North and South fighting it out so long ago. The South is not going to rise again, and the Confederate Flag stands for an economic and social ideology that involved slavery for wealthy white plantation owners. We can pretend all we want that there was some romantic social history to preserve, but in the end it all came down to a fight between the agricultural wealth of the south vs. the industrial wealth of the north and they used a divided nation to fight it out. We are talking about preserving a symbol of the wrong side of history, one that I continually see people try to go back and rewrite.
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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    This whole thing is ridiculous. This piece of polyester has done no more to cause this atrocity than the toilet paper in my bathroom.

    Does anyone call for Georgia to change their flag? To pull it down? Which minus the seal is the exact damn flag that was the first national flag of the Confederacy... What about Mississippi? Arkansas? Florida? Alabama?

    Hell, Six Flags is just gonna have to make due with 5 since one of them 6 was representative of the Confederacy, gots to go!!!

    The flag's removal is going to do nothing but incite racial animosity. One more thing taken away. That's what this will represent.

    Guarantee it.

    But in a superficial society which is more concerned with symbolism rather than substance, what should I expect?
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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    This whole thing is ridiculous. This piece of polyester has done no more to cause this atrocity than the toilet paper in my bathroom.

    Does anyone call for Georgia to change their flag? To pull it down? Which minus the seal is the exact damn flag that was the first national flag of the Confederacy... What about Mississippi? Arkansas? Florida? Alabama?

    Hell, Six Flags is just gonna have to make due with 5 since one of them 6 was representative of the Confederacy, gots to go!!!

    The flag's removal is going to do nothing but incite racial animosity. One more thing taken away. That's what this will represent.

    Guarantee it.

    But in a superficial society which is more concerned with symbolism rather than substance, what should I expect?
    Actually, Georgia did have the Confederate Flag on the State Flag. It did not show up like that until 1956, which should tell you something. By 2003 it was gone.
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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Actually, Georgia did have the Confederate Flag on the State Flag. It did not show up like that until 1956, which should tell you something. By 2003 it was gone.
    Flag_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America_(1861-1863).svg.jpg640px-flag_of_georgia_(u.s._state).svg.png.jpg

    The first the Confederate Stars and Bars

    The second the current State flag of Georgia
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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    This whole thing is ridiculous. This piece of polyester has done no more to cause this atrocity than the toilet paper in my bathroom.

    Does anyone call for Georgia to change their flag? To pull it down? Which minus the seal is the exact damn flag that was the first national flag of the Confederacy... What about Mississippi? Arkansas? Florida? Alabama?

    Hell, Six Flags is just gonna have to make due with 5 since one of them 6 was representative of the Confederacy, gots to go!!!

    The flag's removal is going to do nothing but incite racial animosity. One more thing taken away. That's what this will represent.

    Guarantee it.

    But in a superficial society which is more concerned with symbolism rather than substance, what should I expect?
    I see the point, but there have been a number of conversations going on around this shooting and this is just one of them. Lots of us see a bigger problem and have been discussing it, and having fundamental disagreements about THAT as well.

    The only reason I participated is I think the history of that flag is pretty clear, it rose in prominence at a time when the states were fighting FOR Jim Crow, and no state should be blessing that symbol in 2015 as anything but an historical relic, and there are better options than THAT flag at that prominent location for that purpose. So I see it as entirely appropriate for it to be taken away. Not because it will accomplish some great goal, but because it just IS offensive to some large majority of the state's population and especially the black population who were on the receiving end of racists flying THAT FLAG while attempting to preserve state sponsored white supremacy. The flag is, IMO, an insult to blacks. And that is fine in a museum, along with whips and chains or "Whites Only" signs, etc.

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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Unsure on the Monuments, but I can see the argument to remove the Confederate Flag flying over those as well. My core issue is this, there is only so much you can say to twist up the intentions of the North and South fighting it out so long ago. The South is not going to rise again, and the Confederate Flag stands for an economic and social ideology that involved slavery for wealthy white plantation owners. We can pretend all we want that there was some romantic social history to preserve, but in the end it all came down to a fight between the agricultural wealth of the south vs. the industrial wealth of the north and they used a divided nation to fight it out. We are talking about preserving a symbol of the wrong side of history, one that I continually see people try to go back and rewrite.
    So with the removal of the Confederate flag from US state poles...is this a sign of movements towards better race relations?
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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    That was excellent. Nothing in the whole piece to disagree with.

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    re: Gov. Haley to call for removal of Confederate flag from Capitol grounds [W:154]

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Unsure on the Monuments, but I can see the argument to remove the Confederate Flag flying over those as well. My core issue is this, there is only so much you can say to twist up the intentions of the North and South fighting it out so long ago. The South is not going to rise again, and the Confederate Flag stands for an economic and social ideology that involved slavery for wealthy white plantation owners. We can pretend all we want that there was some romantic social history to preserve, but in the end it all came down to a fight between the agricultural wealth of the south vs. the industrial wealth of the north and they used a divided nation to fight it out. We are talking about preserving a symbol of the wrong side of history, one that I continually see people try to go back and rewrite.
    Even if you think its the "wrong" sort of history-being a civil war it impacted everyone and it still does to this day. That flag represents AMERICAN history, not just the confederacies history.

    For 150 years Americans could deal with this, suddenly now its a problem? Or could it just be a silly feel good response to the Charleston shooting?

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