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Bernie Sanders packs thousands into a Denver gymnasium

I would suggest to read up on how this country was founded. Thank you very much for your kind response.

Any time you're ready to drop the personal attacks and make your case for the founders not being progressive, let me know.

So far all we have is... The founders weren't progressive, and, it never works.

And when challenged, you fail.
 
Any time you're ready to drop the personal attacks and make your case for the founders not being progressive, let me know.

So far all we have is... The founders weren't progressive, and, it never works.

And when challenged, you fail.

Holy crap!
I never challenge delusional statements my friend, if I did.. I'd end up in an insane asylum.

Thank you so much for your kind answer and invitation, but I pass. Have a great Sunday! :cool:
 
I have ancestors that fought in the revolutionary war. My grandmother was a mucky muck in the DAR. Our founding is part of my family history. Not only am I steeped in our history, but the age of reason and enlightenment that brought it about, and the 800 year struggle for rights going back to the Magna Carta.

I will go toe to toe with any scholar any time.
Good, then with your vast wealth of historical knowledge you can explain how modern leftist wealth transfers and centralization of power in the federal government in any way reflects the concept of individual rights and self determination that grew from the Age of Reason and Enlightenment period.
 
I have ancestors that fought in the revolutionary war. My grandmother was a mucky muck in the DAR. Our founding is part of my family history. Not only am I steeped in our history, but the age of reason and enlightenment that brought it about, and the 800 year struggle for rights going back to the Magna Carta.

I will go toe to toe with any scholar any time.


WoW!! I am quite impressed! You knocked my socks off with a quite family history.

Holy crap! NOBODY can top you here son!!

CONGRATULATIONS!! :cool:
 
Good, then with your vast wealth of historical knowledge you can explain how modern leftist wealth transfers and centralization of power in the federal government in any way reflects the concept of individual rights and self determination that grew from the Age of Reason and Enlightenment period.

I forgot to tell Occam that I am a multimillionaire!!! lols
 
Great to hear. And I bet nearly every one of those people is like myself - a person who campaigned for Obama in 08 and was led to believe he would be the second coming of FDR. Instead we got the second coming of Jimmy Carter.

It's great to be optimistic but it was very obvious by looking at Obama's voting record that he wasn't going to be that different from previous politicians. Just because you got burned by Obama doesn't mean you'll get burned by Sanders. I might vot for Sanders if the libertarians give us another terrible candidate like Barr.
 
Holy crap!
I never challenge delusional statements my friend, if I did.. I'd end up in an insane asylum.

Thank you so much for your kind answer and invitation, but I pass. Have a great Sunday! :cool:

You really need to look in the mirror. You are accusing others of what you do yourself. And it appears for someone that is insulting and close minded you can't take the honest truth from others very well.
 
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WoW!! I am quite impressed! You knocked my socks off with a quite family history.

Holy crap! NOBODY can top you here son!!

CONGRATULATIONS!! :cool:


It doesn't take much to top your posts which consist nothing more than hateful rhetoric and a lack of understanding of American history.

Ironically I too had two ancestors that fought as patriots in the revolutionary war as my father's side came here in 1650. And I run two successful businesses. So much for your "liberals or progressives" are the scourge of this country and contribute nothing.
 
Scandinavian Countries are turning RIGHT if you haven't noticed.

Why is that ? And why do you people only use the small North European counties as a example ?

Why not use Venezuela, Greece, Spain, Italy, France, Cuba and Argentina ?

The comment was tongue in cheek. No matter, we aren't Venezuela, Greece, Spain, Italy, France, Cuba or Argentina. We don't have their cultures, their languages, resources, economies, histories or governments. :roll: Get a grip.

No one, especially Sanders, is suggesting that we literally follow Scandinavian nations or any other nation.
 
The facts are that you are economically illiterate and stuck in this wealth envy state of mind.

Ahh yes, the envy argument. Go-to response from the conservatives. Just handwave everything, don't actually refute anything. Just say attack the character of the opposition.
 
To refocus on the OP: Bernie Sanders is drawing large crowds, more than even Sanders expected. Agree with him or not his social, economic, employment, international and political positions - which are consistent with his voting record - resonate with a growing number of Americans. The evidence of that is undeniable.

Sanders spoke in Denver to what is may be the largest crowd of any candidate to date in the campaign. Sanders, once ignored as not having a chance is now being taken seriously. That is what the OP is about.
 
Good, then with your vast wealth of historical knowledge you can explain how modern leftist wealth transfers and centralization of power in the federal government in any way reflects the concept of individual rights and self determination that grew from the Age of Reason and Enlightenment period.

It was Hamilton that argued for a strong central government, life time appointment for the chief executive, and was distrustful of democracy. I suppose you think he was a leftist. And what are you talking about, "wealth transfers"?
 
Great to hear. And I bet nearly every one of those people is like myself - a person who campaigned for Obama in 08 and was led to believe he would be the second coming of FDR. Instead we got the second coming of Jimmy Carter.

I would say the second coming of George Bush and his Unitary Executive.
 
To refocus on the OP: Bernie Sanders is drawing large crowds, more than even Sanders expected. Agree with him or not his social, economic, employment, international and political positions - which are consistent with his voting record - resonate with a growing number of Americans. The evidence of that is undeniable.

Sanders spoke in Denver to what is may be the largest crowd of any candidate to date in the campaign. Sanders, once ignored as not having a chance is now being taken seriously. That is what the OP is about.
Crowds/=votes

Ask Ron Paul.
 
Sanders is more like a Singaporean socialist than anything out of Scandinavia. I actually do like some of the things he says, mostly that a long, long time ago, the US should have just owned and worked its own natural resources and paid for things (budgets and all that, remember budgets) using this for-profit model, leading mostly to lower taxes on all of us, much less regulation, however, there's that little thing about socialism that still creeps back up into the conversation, and that's corruption, and of course spending spree politicians. We get that with capitalism as well, and it IS the problem, but I think it's still fair to at least mention that in theory a nation with a vast amount of natural resources should use them to the benefit of the entire nation, not just those that would otherwise have controlling interests.


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Frightening just how far Left the Democrat Party is (not that it's news). That said, Sanders has no chance against Clinton and this is all much ado about nothing.

Oh, so the party hasn't moved that far left?!!! Bernie would have to defeat Clinton for that to be true, right.

The CBS/NYT poll found that:

– 80% of Republicans believe that money has too much influence in our politics.

– 54% believed that most of the time candidates directly help those who gave money to them.

– 81% of Republicans felt that the campaign finance system needed fundamental changes (45%) or a complete rebuild (36%).

– 64% are pessimistic that changes will be made to reform the campaign finance system.

– 71% want to limit the amount that individuals can give to campaigns.

– 73% felt that super PAC spending should be limited by law.

– 76% thought that superPACs should be required to disclose their donors.

All of these positions are held by Bernie Sanders, and the opinion of the majority on each question is the exact opposite of the reasoning used by the majority of the Supreme Court in the Citizens United decision.
 
Sanders world is one of tyrtany

I don't think you have any idea what tyranny actually is. Here's a hint, it's not slightly higher taxes and environmental regulations.

Progressivism has an end goal, what is that? No progressive ever answers that.

A better society, with more people prospering and less needless hardship.

History does, it's one of government dictating our lives. It's one of elites dictating how we live, what cars to drive, what houses to live, what pay we "deserve".

Um, no. That's the world ruled by the corporate aristocracy that has been empowered by the right wing's economic policies. That's the one where business has bought up government and uses metrics to analyze every fragment of your life because you have no privacy anymore. It's where advertisers lie to you constantly so that you'll buy things you don't need or want. It's where profit trumps people and we accept the idea that we only deserve a pittance for a lifetime of labor.

He resonates because of the ignorance of the masses, the same fools that let Obama in the White House, that cheer for Hillary, that back "punishing the rich" as some sort of positive move for the country.

It's not punishing anyone. It's taking power away from a small minority of extremely powerful and wealthy people who never deserved it in the first place and who abuse it with impunity. Instead, that power should be held by the every day people who do all the actual work in this country.

The facts are that you are economically illiterate and stuck in this wealth envy state of mind.

We don't envy their wealth. We resent the way they abuse it to control our lives. But apparently it's alright with you that they do this so long as they aren't part of a chartered government.

Progressivism has NO place in America.

Our Forefathers didn't make laws with progressive ideas.

They did, actually. They were the progressives of their time. They pushed the envelope. Why don't you want to follow that example?

Good, then with your vast wealth of historical knowledge you can explain how modern leftist wealth transfers and centralization of power in the federal government in any way reflects the concept of individual rights and self determination that grew from the Age of Reason and Enlightenment period.

It's very simple. We stop letting a small elite class control all the wealth and power, and everyone else's rights and self-determination can actually matter. Those who aren't born into wealth will have a much greater ability to control their own destinies and no one is left out in the cold. Our lawmaking would actually be tasked with protecting rights instead of protecting profit. That's the progressive agenda. But you can apparently only describe in the ways that your wealthy owners approve of. "Wealth transfers"... how silly.
 
They did, actually. They were the progressives of their time. They pushed the envelope. Why don't you want to follow that example?


Because I am not a socialist.
 
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