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Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

Explain how that stops people from getting guns illegally. All this kind of effort does is create a black market for guns that the criminals already know how to work and would force otherwise law-abiding citizens to become criminals in order to protect themselves. Make getting a gun legally difficult and you will see a BIG increase in the criminal use of guns in the commission of a crime.

The piece you're missing is the balance between protection and responsibility. You want to protect the minority of people, but at the cost of protection for the majority.

A vast majority of guns used illegally in Chicago are purchased at a gun dealer outside of the city. This "black market" exists because it's so easy to purchase a large amount of firearms from virtually everywhere in the country
 
Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire on Block Party, at Least 7, Including 2-Year-Old, Hurt | NBC 10 Philadelphia
Yet another shooting has happening. Maybe it's time to finally outlaw gun ownership? There are too many shootings happening recently and it's not like it is going to stop. People get injured and killed every single day. It seems like we are turning into a third world country. That trend must be stopped since none of our policies actually work.

That can't be possible! Shooting people is against the law!
 
you gun banners haven't figured out (in reality you have but won't admit it) that making guns difficult to get has a far far greater impact on people who actually don't violate laws and has a negligible impact on people who don't care about say 20-to life for murder or 15-to 30 for armed robbery

after a while, the only possible deduction is your real goal is to disarm honest people rather than ignorance in believing gun bans or restrictions will impact criminals more than honest people

I think we've had this argument turtle. The availability of guns in the US makes it easy for any two bit criminal or teenager that is a head case to get a gun.

I have no problem with someone that is honest and wants to own a gun. I have friends that are very responsible gun owners. If you want to own a gun though, jump through some hoops. Ensure that person is buying a gun to own. Ensure that person is stable. Ensure that person has a clean background.

People talk about guns like it's a right pretty much unlike any other right, almost any restriction means the right doesn't exist. There are laws that influence when and how you can exercise speech. As I pointed out...conservative states have started to implement laws left and right to restrict the right of a woman to access an abortion.
 
There has always been mental illness in our society, but not this many massacres so back-to-back. What do you think the deeper explanation is? (Not a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely asking.)
Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors.
 
I’m not quite sure I see the link between killing and political affiliation. If a white man (why is it always men), guns down a black man, does that mean he’s a right wing racist crazy, or is it because he had a grudge for whatever reason against someone who happened to be black?

‘More whites than blacks are victims of deadly police shootings.’ — Michael Medved on Tuesday, August 19th, 2014 in a Web post from the "Michael Medved Show"
‘Over the span of more than a decade, 2,151 whites died by being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks.’ Politifact.com, 2015.
Why does it have to turn into a black racial issue, followed by riots?

Last year Muslims went on the rampage in Kunming, China. Not a gun in sight and 29 dead, chopped to pieces with axes and knives before the police shot them.
Perhaps it’s not guns then, but as I’ve said elsewhere, a reflection of the society we live in?

Yeah, remember how wonderful things were before the invention of gunpowder weapons? Nobody ever killed anybody!
 
I think we've had this argument turtle. The availability of guns in the US makes it easy for any two bit criminal or teenager that is a head case to get a gun.

I have no problem with someone that is honest and wants to own a gun. I have friends that are very responsible gun owners. If you want to own a gun though, jump through some hoops. Ensure that person is buying a gun to own. Ensure that person is stable. Ensure that person has a clean background.

People talk about guns like it's a right pretty much unlike any other right, almost any restriction means the right doesn't exist. There are laws that influence when and how you can exercise speech. As I pointed out...conservative states have started to implement laws left and right to restrict the right of a woman to access an abortion.
These aren't random people doing the mass shootings. Even repeat felons with a long history of violence are not performing these mass shootings.

Almost every single mass shooter was on Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors for pre-existing mental health problems.
 
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Yeah, remember how wonderful things were before the invention of gunpowder weapons? Nobody ever killed anybody!
Cut John some slack, just look at how many guns were used to carry out 9/11.
 
A vast majority of guns used illegally in Chicago are purchased at a gun dealer outside of the city. This "black market" exists because it's so easy to purchase a large amount of firearms from virtually everywhere in the country

So you would support a plan that expands this black market???
 
That can't be possible! Shooting people is against the law!

More laws will stop those law breakers. :lol:

Lets make it illegal to purchase bullets for killing people.:lamo

That ought to bring this crime spree to a stop.:thumbs:
 
So you would support a plan that expands this black market???

They have already done that. Obama has single handily increased the sale of guns and ammo across this country more than any advertising campaign or the NRA could ever have come up with. I can't wait to see the gun and ammo sales if Clinton gets elected.

I might vote for her just to see if she can put a gun in every mans hand.:thumbs:
 
More laws will stop those law breakers. :lol:

Lets make it illegal to purchase bullets for killing people.:lamo

That ought to bring this crime spree to a stop.:thumbs:

Although I agree we should also ban the confederate flag. Then both killing and racism are sure to stop.
 
Ah these must be those inanimate objects responsible for all the killing. Looks like they are having a convention to debate who to shoot next.
Sarcasms are great. But seriously, how can maniac mass people shooters be stopped?
 
Sarcasms are great. But seriously, how can maniac mass people shooters be stopped?

Yes, well ignore America's obsession with violence as entertainment in various forms, and our unwillingness to appropriately deal with mental health giving it the funding and resources necessary, while having no problem whatsoever with spending trillions of dollars on gratuitous and unnecessary wars and support a gun ban. As much as I've always been opposed to the public displays of the confederate flag, and want to see them come down, that's not going to end racism anymore than a gun ban will eliminate gun murder.
 
Sarcasms are great. But seriously, how can maniac mass people shooters be stopped?

Well as you have pointed out, they have psych issues. There are some (superficial) things that can be done, like increasing screening (which I do for a living), but in the end they will find a way to do what they want to do.

One misconception people have about the mentally ill (specifically those with severe personality disorders) is that they are unintelligent-they are quite smart, the other thing, is that they will seek or accept treatment-these people don't believe they are sick, they think everyone else is crazy for telling them they need help.

These people will find ways to get weapons, they will find ways to harm others, and they likely always will.
 
Sarcasms are great. But seriously, how can maniac mass people shooters be stopped?

The biggest problem with anyone seeking help for mental illness is the prejudice society and our government has against people who do seek help.
Say I work for the government and have a secret clearance. If I am having problems with my wife and stress is keeping me up at night. If I seek mental help I am not only out of job but can never return. This is our government that is prejudice. So I either resolve the issues on my own or risk eliminating my career just as surely as committing a crime. Society believes metal health issues can not be cured. Society believes anyone seeking mental help can not be trusted and can never be a good person again. Just try and get a job teaching, as a police officer, or any position requiring a clearance after seeking help for mental illness. You would have a better chance getting hired with a swastika tattooed on your forehead.

As long as society and even our government maintains prejudice against people seeking mental health treatment we will see even more of these type of crimes. Plus who in their right mind would throw their career down the drain seeking mental help.
 
But seriously, how can maniac mass people shooters be stopped?
First of all we need to stop prescribing antidepressants to everyone who has minor problems in life since all those meds usually wreck brain chemistry and lead to mental disorders.
 
Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire on Block Party, at Least 7, Including 2-Year-Old, Hurt | NBC 10 Philadelphia
Yet another shooting has happening. Maybe it's time to finally outlaw gun ownership? There are too many shootings happening recently and it's not like it is going to stop. People get injured and killed every single day. It seems like we are turning into a third world country. That trend must be stopped since none of our policies actually work.

Not gonna happen but you can always dream tho. I find it quite funny that gun control activists are frustrated all the time. I like it when I see that Gabby Gifford is going to spend 11 million to fight gun rights. It always backfires. The more noise you folks make the better it works out for the gun rights folks. Please keep carrying on. Make as much noise as you can. Just ignore the demographics and the consequences of previous efforts to make guns illegal. It works out just fine for the gun rights folks. Gives me a warm fuzzy.
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it's a very unique issue and does not follow the traditional left-right paradigm.

YAYYYYY, finally!!!! Someone gets it!!!!!!!! I think it is a lot like the marijuana issue.
 
A vast majority of guns used illegally in Chicago are purchased at a gun dealer outside of the city. This "black market" exists because it's so easy to purchase a large amount of firearms from virtually everywhere in the country

It is illegal to purchase a gun in a state without having that state's license/id.

And the NRA's solution, I'm sure, will be to try get more people armed!

Obviously more gun regulations in these gun free zones areas are needed.

Maybe it's time to finally outlaw gun ownership?

Have you thought about banning the act of shooting people?
 
Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire on Block Party, at Least 7, Including 2-Year-Old, Hurt | NBC 10 Philadelphia
Yet another shooting has happening. Maybe it's time to finally outlaw gun ownership? There are too many shootings happening recently and it's not like it is going to stop. People get injured and killed every single day. It seems like we are turning into a third world country. That trend must be stopped since none of our policies actually work.

Philly already has strict gun laws. Guess that isn't working out rele gude. (intentional misspell)

Pennsylvania Gun Laws and How They Compare to Philadelphia's

Kinda like Detroit or NYC or DC or pick any other city that has strict gun laws.
 
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