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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I dont read these freaks "manifesto's" as a matter of policy. I dont care why they did what they did. **** them.
    Unless they are muslim.

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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    We should outlaw SUV's.
    More dangerous than shotguns.

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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Or we should make them as difficult to get as an abortion in Texas.
    Explain how that stops people from getting guns illegally. All this kind of effort does is create a black market for guns that the criminals already know how to work and would force otherwise law-abiding citizens to become criminals in order to protect themselves. Make getting a gun legally difficult and you will see a BIG increase in the criminal use of guns in the commission of a crime.

    The piece you're missing is the balance between protection and responsibility. You want to protect the minority of people, but at the cost of protection for the majority.
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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Or we should make them as difficult to get as an abortion in Texas.
    you gun banners haven't figured out (in reality you have but won't admit it) that making guns difficult to get has a far far greater impact on people who actually don't violate laws and has a negligible impact on people who don't care about say 20-to life for murder or 15-to 30 for armed robbery

    after a while, the only possible deduction is your real goal is to disarm honest people rather than ignorance in believing gun bans or restrictions will impact criminals more than honest people
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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I am not for banning guns, I think people have the right to protect themselves. However, I don't believe putting more guns in the hands of the people on the street is a good one. I don't believe those people who say "if only he had a gun he could have stopped the shooter" have a valid argument. Sure, it might help in a few cases, but a hand gun is no match for an automatic weapon a shooter might have.
    Actually, a handgun is faster to deploy than an automatic weapon. Fewer steps, lighter and you have a much better chance of getting the first shot off (the most critical point in any armed conflict). A decently trained individual with a handgun can put a round "down range" in about 2 seconds, the same person would take about twice that long with an AR. It's why law enforcement in this country PREFERS handguns over automatic rifles. Also, in most cases, the presence of multiple handguns FAR out weighs any advantage that someone carrying an AR would have. Anyone with any tactical training at all would tell that more weapons in the hands of the good guys is the best way to stop the bad guys. BALANCE!!
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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I agree they're messed up, but the number of mass killings has increased dramatically in the past 10 years. Don't you think it's important that we examine why, as a matter of prevention?
    We already know why-mental illness. Its not like its not investigated thoroughly in each episode. I think there is a morbid curiosity here, and I don't like the amount of coverage they get. I dont go to their facebook accounts, read their manifestos, etc. I have no doubt some are attracted to the idea of the attention-thats how these freaks roll.

    Also, I reject the notion that mass shootings are on the rise, in fact they are on the decline and still exceedingly rare-they just get the most coverage and so it seems that way. See this AP report...
    Associated Press Story: Believe It or Not Mass Killings Are Not on the Rise, They Are on the Decline | TheBlaze.com

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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    Actually, a handgun is faster to deploy than an automatic weapon. Fewer steps, lighter and you have a much better chance of getting the first shot off (the most critical point in any armed conflict). A decently trained individual with a handgun can put a round "down range" in about 2 seconds, the same person would take about twice that long with an AR. It's why law enforcement in this country PREFERS handguns over automatic rifles. Also, in most cases, the presence of multiple handguns FAR out weighs any advantage that someone carrying an AR would have. Anyone with any tactical training at all would tell that more weapons in the hands of the good guys is the best way to stop the bad guys. BALANCE!!
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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I am not for banning guns, I think people have the right to protect themselves. However, I don't believe putting more guns in the hands of the people on the street is a good one. I don't believe those people who say "if only he had a gun he could have stopped the shooter" have a valid argument. Sure, it might help in a few cases, but a hand gun is no match for an automatic weapon a shooter might have.
    In almost all cases where a shooter using either a pistol or long gun has been stopped, its been with a pistol. Although a long gun is generally a superior choice, its less practical. And beyond that merely producing a gun is often enough to make the shooter surrender or kill themselves. And I don't know of any cases except maybe one in California in the 80's where an automatic weapon was used, the overwhelming majority use semi-auto's, and besides full auto is only more "beneficial" in very few cases, and in fact is often a hindrance.

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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester View Post
    There not illegal, just expensive.
    And exceedingly rarely used in crimes-almost never. But rest assured that the same people who aren't bound by the law in mass shootings will have little issue in breaking yet another to make their guns full auto.

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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Unless they are muslim.
    Why would crazy jibberish in Arabic be any different?

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