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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I agree they're messed up, but the number of mass killings has increased dramatically in the past 10 years. Don't you think it's important that we examine why, as a matter of prevention?
    Virtually every mass shooter was on a Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor for mental health problems.

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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    We should take away peoples guns and lock them up in the same place we lock anyone up that ever attents a protest. You know, because we feel like it's perfectly acceptable to ignore constitutional rights if a few people misuse them in the process of committing violence....

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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    [QUOTE=Deuce;1064740965]But the laws don't stop people from breaking them. Sort of by definition, crimes only exist when the law is broken. So does any law ever prevent any crime? Why do we have laws?[/QUOT

    Here in the US, we have the Supreme Law which creates the federal government and defines how it shall act.

    We have statutory law to facilitate government operation. As for the criminal law, we have that to allow a supposedly civilized method to punish transgressions. It allows society to punish certain behavior within a legal framework in which, supposedly, all men are equal before the law.

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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Virtually every mass shooter was on a Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor for mental health problems.
    That should tell us something about medicating youngsters "off label".

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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Thats a really stupid idea, it would allow people to murder and say the person drew a gun on me so I shot him. Not a well thought out idea, faithful.
    My point is that there is more than one solution to this problem. Just as arming everyone who can legally carry a firearm is not the solution, so is DIS-arming everyone who can legally carry a firearm not the solution. The answer lies somewhere in-between, but as long as the discussion comes down to "Come and take it!!" vs "Get rid of all guns" and nothing between, there never will be a good solution.
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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    My point is that there is more than one solution to this problem. Just as arming everyone who can legally carry a firearm is not the solution, so is DIS-arming everyone who can legally carry a firearm not the solution. The answer lies somewhere in-between, but as long as the discussion comes down to "Come and take it!!" vs "Get rid of all guns" and nothing between, there never will be a good solution.
    well the biggest problem is the dishonesty of the gun banners who pretend their goals are public safety and disarming criminals and we have seen that is complete BS. for example, the turd Cuomo demanding a 7 round limit to magazines after the Lanza incident and a case where a convicted murderer-using already illegal in NY (and illegal for him since he had a murder conviction) AR 15 with 30 round magazines murdered two firefighters.
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    Why would you not want to register your weapon?
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    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    We should take away peoples guns and lock them up in the same place we lock anyone up that ever attents a protest. You know, because we feel like it's perfectly acceptable to ignore constitutional rights if a few people misuse them in the process of committing violence....
    Or we should make them as difficult to get as an abortion in Texas.
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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    My point is that there is more than one solution to this problem. Just as arming everyone who can legally carry a firearm is not the solution, so is DIS-arming everyone who can legally carry a firearm not the solution. The answer lies somewhere in-between, but as long as the discussion comes down to "Come and take it!!" vs "Get rid of all guns" and nothing between, there never will be a good solution.
    I am not for banning guns, I think people have the right to protect themselves. However, I don't believe putting more guns in the hands of the people on the street is a good one. I don't believe those people who say "if only he had a gun he could have stopped the shooter" have a valid argument. Sure, it might help in a few cases, but a hand gun is no match for an automatic weapon a shooter might have.


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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I am not for banning guns, I think people have the right to protect themselves. However, I don't believe putting more guns in the hands of the people on the street is a good one. I don't believe those people who say "if only he had a gun he could have stopped the shooter" have a valid argument. Sure, it might help in a few cases, but a hand gun is no match for an automatic weapon a shooter might have.
    I don't want the wrong people to have guns either, the problem is the definition of the "wrong" people. Also, I thought automatic weapons were illegal.

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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I don't want the wrong people to have guns either, the problem is the definition of the "wrong" people. Also, I thought automatic weapons were illegal.
    There not illegal, just expensive.

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