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Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire on Block Party, at Least 7, Including 2-Year-Old, Hurt | NBC 10 Philadelphia
Yet another shooting has happening. Maybe it's time to finally outlaw gun ownership? There are too many shootings happening recently and it's not like it is going to stop. People get injured and killed every single day. It seems like we are turning into a third world country. That trend must be stopped since none of our policies actually work.

Maybe it is just time to outlaw shooting folks at block parties. I suggest that the sentence for that offense be harsher than that for mere gun possession. ;)

Criminals do not obey laws therefore we need more laws - a brilliant plan indeed. ;)
 
Well, with almost 300M guns & the highest per capita gun ownership in the world, we still lead the civilized world in gun deaths by far.

How many more guns will do it?

100M?

200M?

What da ya' think?

Maybe 500M (1/2 Billion) total, will make us safe as the countries that have less?

The NRA never tells us the end-game - just that we need more.

What are you getting at fellow LIBERTARIAN?
 
FWIW, the Conservative Party of the U.K. supports the country's very strict gun control laws. The Liberal Party of Australia (which refers to free-market classical liberalism, and is Australia's largest right-wing party) actually banned gun owners from joining the party. On the other side of the spectrum, there are some more revolutionary leftist groups than support the idea of promoting gun ownership in order to empower the proletariat.

My point is that while in mainstream U.S. debate, we traditionally associate gun control with the left and gun rights with the right, it's a very unique issue and does not follow the traditional left-right paradigm.

#1 I don't even know that party

#2 I don't care about what they call themselves

#3 Here in America, we associate conservative with gun rights, not gun control. That is all that matters.

UK can call themselves what they want. That's why we won the war and got away from them. So we can call ourselves what we want ;)
 
How many laws did the man break? Quite a few, is my guess.

How is one more law, the one you vaguely propose, going to stop him from doing what he did?

Why have any laws at all?
 
So we can call ourselves what we want ;)

For example, someone can call themselves conservative while also supporting gun control.
 
Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire on Block Party, at Least 7, Including 2-Year-Old, Hurt | NBC 10 Philadelphia
Yet another shooting has happening. Maybe it's time to finally outlaw gun ownership? There are too many shootings happening recently and it's not like it is going to stop. People get injured and killed every single day. It seems like we are turning into a third world country. That trend must be stopped since none of our policies actually work.

Man runs car into crowd killing 3, injuring 34 in Austria

Man runs car into crowd killing 3, injuring 34 in Austria

State broadcaster ORF cited unnamed witnesses as saying the man apparently drove his vehicle into the crowd at random, sending several people crashing into the windshield and flying over the van. Austria's APA news agency said at least two bodies covered with blankets were seen lying at the scene shortly after it was cordoned off by police.


Cars kill more people than guns, it's time we ban all cars.....
 
Man runs car into crowd killing 3, injuring 34 in Austria

Man runs car into crowd killing 3, injuring 34 in Austria

State broadcaster ORF cited unnamed witnesses as saying the man apparently drove his vehicle into the crowd at random, sending several people crashing into the windshield and flying over the van. Austria's APA news agency said at least two bodies covered with blankets were seen lying at the scene shortly after it was cordoned off by police.


Cars kill more people than guns, it's time we ban all cars.....

Nuclear bombs kill fewer people than cars, so those should be legal.
 
Well, I can top that. A young Austrian took his SUV into the pedestrian zone in Vienna, where he pursued pedestrians running them down. He killed three outright and put thirty-four in hospital many of whom are uncertain to survive.

It seems it was not a racist act.

We should outlaw SUV's.
 
And the NRA's solution, I'm sure, will be to try get more people armed!

Many left-wingers dislike gun ownership rather than criminals. Thus, they see gun ownership by honest people as bad. Most of us on the right see a difference. Good people with guns is at worst neutral and in most cases a positive thing. Criminal with guns are bad. We note that Democrat/Liberal attempts to do something about this is not limited to what we see as a bad thing-criminal with guns-but rather leftwing responses are to what LEFT-WINGERS see as bad-gun ownership period-whether the owners are good people or criminals

so not surprisingly, leftwing solutions are to target mainly good people owning guns
 
Well, with almost 300M guns & the highest per capita gun ownership in the world, we still lead the civilized world in gun deaths by far.

How many more guns will do it?

100M?

200M?

What da ya' think?

Maybe 500M (1/2 Billion) total, will make us safe as the countries that have less?

The NRA never tells us the end-game - just that we need more.

CAN YOU actually find any proof of this claim. The NRA suggests that if you own a gun you ought to get proper training
 
Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire on Block Party, at Least 7, Including 2-Year-Old, Hurt | NBC 10 Philadelphia
Yet another shooting has happening. Maybe it's time to finally outlaw gun ownership? There are too many shootings happening recently and it's not like it is going to stop. People get injured and killed every single day. It seems like we are turning into a third world country. That trend must be stopped since none of our policies actually work.

It's that southern conservative culture at work. Same in Detroit. These violent people are just geographically challenged.
 
What are you getting at fellow LIBERTARIAN?

I guess if I have multiple guns I am more likely to kill than if I have only one. There is also the belief that if you take away my gun/guns I will be unable to kill. If I decide to kill someone I would most likely use a crossbow anyway.
 
Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire on Block Party, at Least 7, Including 2-Year-Old, Hurt | NBC 10 Philadelphia
Yet another shooting has happening. Maybe it's time to finally outlaw gun ownership? There are too many shootings happening recently and it's not like it is going to stop. People get injured and killed every single day. It seems like we are turning into a third world country. That trend must be stopped since none of our policies actually work.

We are turning into a 3rd world country because of the pathetic state of our economy. Millions of people working 2 jobs to support an over bloated government where the average government worker make almost twice as much as the people forced to pay their salaries. People are unhappy because they are being taxed to pay platinum insurance policies and retirement plans they no longer can afford for themselves. My computer at work shows clearly that in the last 10 years the plumbing products we sell have significantly gone up in price. Most small parts have doubled and tripled despite the lies of no inflation by the Liar in Chief. You can expect even more violence and people lashing out whether you disarm them or not.
 
Why have any laws at all?

I'm all in favor of the rule of law, so I don't understand your point. I favor well-crafted laws and proper enforcement thereof. Laws that are founded on constitutional principles.
 
Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire on Block Party, at Least 7, Including 2-Year-Old, Hurt | NBC 10 Philadelphia
Yet another shooting has happening. Maybe it's time to finally outlaw gun ownership? There are too many shootings happening recently and it's not like it is going to stop. People get injured and killed every single day. It seems like we are turning into a third world country. That trend must be stopped since none of our policies actually work.

Once again blaming a tool in the hands of a killer.

And how do we know the gun in question was legally owned? How do we know the shooter didn't obtain it from some shady character selling guns from the trunk of his car?
 
Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire on Block Party, at Least 7, Including 2-Year-Old, Hurt | NBC 10 Philadelphia
Yet another shooting has happening. Maybe it's time to finally outlaw gun ownership? There are too many shootings happening recently and it's not like it is going to stop. People get injured and killed every single day. It seems like we are turning into a third world country. That trend must be stopped since none of our policies actually work.


Nope. Not time.

Wouldn't work anyway. 300 million guns in circulation.

Barring house to house and building to building searches of the entire nation using gun-sniffing dogs, you'll only disarm the law-abiding, not the criminal or the crazy.


So I vote Nay Nay.

:D
 
Another racist white terrorist (2, including the shooter in Detroit)?

Don't know about Detroit, but the Philly shooters were Black according to the article in the first post.
 
Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire on Block Party, at Least 7, Including 2-Year-Old, Hurt | NBC 10 Philadelphia
Yet another shooting has happening. Maybe it's time to finally outlaw gun ownership? There are too many shootings happening recently and it's not like it is going to stop. People get injured and killed every single day. It seems like we are turning into a third world country. That trend must be stopped since none of our policies actually work.

Why not require that all adults carry a firearm at all times?? Make firearm training mandatory in all schools, starting in kindergarten (age appropriate training all the way). That way, if someone did open fire, they would only get off one or two shots and they would be stopped. If our culture was such that using a firearm in a criminal effort resulted in immediate death/serious injury, the idea that using a firearm to commit a crime would rapidly become one of "Oh, hell no!!!"
 
Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire on Block Party, at Least 7, Including 2-Year-Old, Hurt | NBC 10 Philadelphia
Yet another shooting has happening. Maybe it's time to finally outlaw gun ownership? There are too many shootings happening recently and it's not like it is going to stop. People get injured and killed every single day. It seems like we are turning into a third world country. That trend must be stopped since none of our policies actually work.

Only if we can outlaw stupid ideas first.
 
Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire on Block Party, at Least 7, Including 2-Year-Old, Hurt | NBC 10 Philadelphia
Yet another shooting has happening. Maybe it's time to finally outlaw gun ownership? There are too many shootings happening recently and it's not like it is going to stop. People get injured and killed every single day. It seems like we are turning into a third world country. That trend must be stopped since none of our policies actually work.
Before you even begin to consider dismantling the 2nd amendment and the process that involves, why dont you see what you can do to impose bans on drugs and for that matter, human beings, and effectively prevent criminals from getting banned substances. Then target the people actually perpetrating those violent crimes. After that...come talk to me and we'll see if your foray into a ban on guns is even necessary.
 
Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire on Block Party, at Least 7, Including 2-Year-Old, Hurt | NBC 10 Philadelphia
Yet another shooting has happening. Maybe it's time to finally outlaw gun ownership? There are too many shootings happening recently and it's not like it is going to stop. People get injured and killed every single day. It seems like we are turning into a third world country. That trend must be stopped since none of our policies actually work.

This is not going to happen EVER. Even if an amendment was passed nixing the 2nd amendment it would be impossibe getting the gazillion guns out there. You see our second civil war. forget about it.
 
Why not require that all adults carry a firearm at all times?? Make firearm training mandatory in all schools, starting in kindergarten (age appropriate training all the way). That way, if someone did open fire, they would only get off one or two shots and they would be stopped. If our culture was such that using a firearm in a criminal effort resulted in immediate death/serious injury, the idea that using a firearm to commit a crime would rapidly become one of "Oh, hell no!!!"

Thats a really stupid idea, it would allow people to murder and say the person drew a gun on me so I shot him. Not a well thought out idea, faithful.
 
Thats a really stupid idea, it would allow people to murder and say the person drew a gun on me so I shot him. Not a well thought out idea, faithful.

Oh Pete...that's just silly. You get that people have been saying stupid things like that since CCW became a "thing" 40 years ago. Ohmigawsh...it'll be the Wild Wild West, license to kill...blood will fill the gutters!!!!

Not so much....
 
Just makes one wonder how the folks of my grandparent's and parent's generations survived. They had guns aplenty, no registration, no government control of guns and were free to carry them anywhere.
 
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