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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    Explain how that stops people from getting guns illegally. All this kind of effort does is create a black market for guns that the criminals already know how to work and would force otherwise law-abiding citizens to become criminals in order to protect themselves. Make getting a gun legally difficult and you will see a BIG increase in the criminal use of guns in the commission of a crime.

    The piece you're missing is the balance between protection and responsibility. You want to protect the minority of people, but at the cost of protection for the majority.
    A vast majority of guns used illegally in Chicago are purchased at a gun dealer outside of the city. This "black market" exists because it's so easy to purchase a large amount of firearms from virtually everywhere in the country
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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironfist17 View Post
    Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire on Block Party, at Least 7, Including 2-Year-Old, Hurt | NBC 10 Philadelphia
    Yet another shooting has happening. Maybe it's time to finally outlaw gun ownership? There are too many shootings happening recently and it's not like it is going to stop. People get injured and killed every single day. It seems like we are turning into a third world country. That trend must be stopped since none of our policies actually work.
    That can't be possible! Shooting people is against the law!
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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you gun banners haven't figured out (in reality you have but won't admit it) that making guns difficult to get has a far far greater impact on people who actually don't violate laws and has a negligible impact on people who don't care about say 20-to life for murder or 15-to 30 for armed robbery

    after a while, the only possible deduction is your real goal is to disarm honest people rather than ignorance in believing gun bans or restrictions will impact criminals more than honest people
    I think we've had this argument turtle. The availability of guns in the US makes it easy for any two bit criminal or teenager that is a head case to get a gun.

    I have no problem with someone that is honest and wants to own a gun. I have friends that are very responsible gun owners. If you want to own a gun though, jump through some hoops. Ensure that person is buying a gun to own. Ensure that person is stable. Ensure that person has a clean background.

    People talk about guns like it's a right pretty much unlike any other right, almost any restriction means the right doesn't exist. There are laws that influence when and how you can exercise speech. As I pointed out...conservative states have started to implement laws left and right to restrict the right of a woman to access an abortion.
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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    There has always been mental illness in our society, but not this many massacres so back-to-back. What do you think the deeper explanation is? (Not a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely asking.)
    Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors.

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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by John V View Post
    I’m not quite sure I see the link between killing and political affiliation. If a white man (why is it always men), guns down a black man, does that mean he’s a right wing racist crazy, or is it because he had a grudge for whatever reason against someone who happened to be black?

    ‘More whites than blacks are victims of deadly police shootings.’ — Michael Medved on Tuesday, August 19th, 2014 in a Web post from the "Michael Medved Show"
    ‘Over the span of more than a decade, 2,151 whites died by being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks.’ Politifact.com, 2015.
    Why does it have to turn into a black racial issue, followed by riots?

    Last year Muslims went on the rampage in Kunming, China. Not a gun in sight and 29 dead, chopped to pieces with axes and knives before the police shot them.
    Perhaps it’s not guns then, but as I’ve said elsewhere, a reflection of the society we live in?
    Yeah, remember how wonderful things were before the invention of gunpowder weapons? Nobody ever killed anybody!
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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I think we've had this argument turtle. The availability of guns in the US makes it easy for any two bit criminal or teenager that is a head case to get a gun.

    I have no problem with someone that is honest and wants to own a gun. I have friends that are very responsible gun owners. If you want to own a gun though, jump through some hoops. Ensure that person is buying a gun to own. Ensure that person is stable. Ensure that person has a clean background.

    People talk about guns like it's a right pretty much unlike any other right, almost any restriction means the right doesn't exist. There are laws that influence when and how you can exercise speech. As I pointed out...conservative states have started to implement laws left and right to restrict the right of a woman to access an abortion.
    These aren't random people doing the mass shootings. Even repeat felons with a long history of violence are not performing these mass shootings.

    Almost every single mass shooter was on Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors for pre-existing mental health problems.
    Last edited by Jerry; 06-23-15 at 08:52 AM.

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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Yeah, remember how wonderful things were before the invention of gunpowder weapons? Nobody ever killed anybody!
    Cut John some slack, just look at how many guns were used to carry out 9/11.

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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    These aren't random people doing the mass shootings.

    Almost every single mass shooter was on Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors.
    As are millions of Americans. There's more people on SSRI's than there are gun owners.
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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    A vast majority of guns used illegally in Chicago are purchased at a gun dealer outside of the city. This "black market" exists because it's so easy to purchase a large amount of firearms from virtually everywhere in the country
    So you would support a plan that expands this black market???
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    Re: Man Toting Shotgun Opens Fire in Philadelphia leaving seven people hurt

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    That can't be possible! Shooting people is against the law!
    More laws will stop those law breakers.

    Lets make it illegal to purchase bullets for killing people.

    That ought to bring this crime spree to a stop.

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