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    Clinton breaks with Obama on trade agreement despite supporting it previously

    In break with Obama, Clinton won't back fast-track trade bill | TheHill

    A flip-flopper was catched! Hillary is against the trade agreement that is being actively promoted by President Obama. Despite that she supported it when she was Secretary of the State. She had failed to take strong and hard position, the probability of her becoming POTUS becoming less and less.

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    Re: Clinton breaks with Obama on trade agreement despite supporting it previously

    Meh...

    There are many reasons why she may very well not become President, this is not a particularly significant one.

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    Re: Clinton breaks with Obama on trade agreement despite supporting it previously

    The ability to change your mind on something is a measure of intelligence.
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    Re: Clinton breaks with Obama on trade agreement despite supporting it previously

    Quote Originally Posted by xdangerousxdave View Post
    In break with Obama, Clinton won't back fast-track trade bill | TheHill

    A flip-flopper was catched! Hillary is against the trade agreement that is being actively promoted by President Obama. Despite that she supported it when she was Secretary of the State. She had failed to take strong and hard position, the probability of her becoming POTUS becoming less and less.
    There are dozens of reasons to dread a Clinton Presidency, but speaking as a spokesperson for an administration as a cabinet member and then addressing your own personal views on a matter once out of cabinet is not one of them. Members of the military, as an example, do that quite frequently. George Tenet, serving several different Presidents, did it. It's not a matter of flip-flopping but a matter of expressing a personal view as a private citizen.

    That said, the Democrats have a significant problem - and Republicans as well - with the principles behind Congressional, constitutional authority and ceding it or not ceding it to a President based on the issue at hand. Democrats wanted Obama to have this authority when binding the country to an Iran deal but don't want him to have it on trade - conversely, Republicans want Obama to have it on trade but didn't want him to have it on Iran. Best thing to do, in my view, is for each segment of government to operate under the provisions of the constitution and let the legislative process work its way along.
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    Re: Clinton breaks with Obama on trade agreement despite supporting it previously

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    The ability to change your mind on something is a measure of intelligence.
    I was going to disagree with you and then I changed my mind - I must be brilliant.
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    Re: Clinton breaks with Obama on trade agreement despite supporting it previously

    Quote Originally Posted by xdangerousxdave View Post
    In break with Obama, Clinton won't back fast-track trade bill | TheHill

    A flip-flopper was catched! Hillary is against the trade agreement that is being actively promoted by President Obama. Despite that she supported it when she was Secretary of the State. She had failed to take strong and hard position, the probability of her becoming POTUS becoming less and less.
    First of all, she supported the idea, since the agreement wasn't drafted, she couldn't have had any valid opinion of it, and in a way still can't since no one seems to know what's in it. Secondly, she's a politician running for office, I don't believe, given her history as a pawn of banksters and the corporate elite, that she'd do anything at all to stop the TPP from going through. It's just talk that she's been told polls well with Democrats. She's not breaking with Obama likely at all, just being a politician running for office. Everyone except Sanders will be lying from now til the vote count is taken in Nov '16, then we'll find out what they're true intentions and allegiances are. If Obama, and Bush before him, taught me nothing, he taught me this lesson, not at all the president he campaigned to be.
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    Re: Clinton breaks with Obama on trade agreement despite supporting it previously

    She wasn't against it until Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, the Dems in Congress, and the American people were against it. Basically she wasn't against the deal until her internal polling told her to be against it.

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    Re: Clinton breaks with Obama on trade agreement despite supporting it previously

    Attacking someone for changing their opinion is nonsensical. Opinions change and should change, and the worship of ideological consistency over critical thinking is irrational.
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    Re: Clinton breaks with Obama on trade agreement despite supporting it previously

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    She wasn't against it until Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, the Dems in Congress, and the American people were against it. Basically she wasn't against the deal until her internal polling told her to be against it.
    pretty much.

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    Re: Clinton breaks with Obama on trade agreement despite supporting it previously

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    The ability to change your mind on something is a measure of intelligence.
    Its intelligence when you like it, or support a candidate, anyway. Its a flip flopper otherwise.
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