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Clinton breaks with Obama on trade agreement despite supporting it previously

Meh...

There are many reasons why she may very well not become President, this is not a particularly significant one.
 
The ability to change your mind on something is a measure of intelligence.
 
xdangerousxdave said:
In break with Obama, Clinton won't back fast-track trade bill | TheHill

A flip-flopper was catched! Hillary is against the trade agreement that is being actively promoted by President Obama. Despite that she supported it when she was Secretary of the State. She had failed to take strong and hard position, the probability of her becoming POTUS becoming less and less.
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There are dozens of reasons to dread a Clinton Presidency, but speaking as a spokesperson for an administration as a cabinet member and then addressing your own personal views on a matter once out of cabinet is not one of them. Members of the military, as an example, do that quite frequently. George Tenet, serving several different Presidents, did it. It's not a matter of flip-flopping but a matter of expressing a personal view as a private citizen.

That said, the Democrats have a significant problem - and Republicans as well - with the principles behind Congressional, constitutional authority and ceding it or not ceding it to a President based on the issue at hand. Democrats wanted Obama to have this authority when binding the country to an Iran deal but don't want him to have it on trade - conversely, Republicans want Obama to have it on trade but didn't want him to have it on Iran. Best thing to do, in my view, is for each segment of government to operate under the provisions of the constitution and let the legislative process work its way along.
 
xdangerousxdave said:
In break with Obama, Clinton won't back fast-track trade bill | TheHill

A flip-flopper was catched! Hillary is against the trade agreement that is being actively promoted by President Obama. Despite that she supported it when she was Secretary of the State. She had failed to take strong and hard position, the probability of her becoming POTUS becoming less and less.
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First of all, she supported the idea, since the agreement wasn't drafted, she couldn't have had any valid opinion of it, and in a way still can't since no one seems to know what's in it. Secondly, she's a politician running for office, I don't believe, given her history as a pawn of banksters and the corporate elite, that she'd do anything at all to stop the TPP from going through. It's just talk that she's been told polls well with Democrats. She's not breaking with Obama likely at all, just being a politician running for office. Everyone except Sanders will be lying from now til the vote count is taken in Nov '16, then we'll find out what they're true intentions and allegiances are. If Obama, and Bush before him, taught me nothing, he taught me this lesson, not at all the president he campaigned to be.
 
She wasn't against it until Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, the Dems in Congress, and the American people were against it. Basically she wasn't against the deal until her internal polling told her to be against it.
 
Attacking someone for changing their opinion is nonsensical. Opinions change and should change, and the worship of ideological consistency over critical thinking is irrational.
 
Nilly said:
The ability to change your mind on something is a measure of intelligence.
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Its intelligence when you like it, or support a candidate, anyway. Its a flip flopper otherwise.
 
reinoe said:
She wasn't against it until Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, the Dems in Congress, and the American people were against it. Basically she wasn't against the deal until her internal polling told her to be against it.
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Hillary is a hawk, and in so many other ways, not a liberal progressive at all. She's got nothing for the party and nothing for America, and she just needs to be gone. With any luck, it will be Bill that derails her again, concerned that as president she just might have a greater legacy then himself.
 
SocialDemocrat said:
Attacking someone for changing their opinion is nonsensical. Opinions change and should change, and the worship of ideological consistency over critical thinking is irrational.
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they should change if it reflects genuine belief in the "rightness" of the position; through legitimate expereince, new knowledge, etc.
they should not change if simple for political expediency.
 
SlevinKelevra said:
they should change if it reflects genuine belief in the "rightness" of the position; through legitimate expereince, new knowledge, etc.
they should not change if simple for political expediency.
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Popular opinion actually doesn't seem to be on Hillary's side on this issue. It's not just a question of opposing free trade because it polls well, because evidently, it doesn't.

Regardless, I don't really have faith in politicians to actually support anything unless it's politically expedient for them. Who really cares why politicians choose to support certain issues? The important part is whether or not they support the issue, and if deep down they disagree with what they're promoting, that's not going to matter in the long run because it results in that issue being advanced legislatively regardless.
 
Montecresto said:
Its intelligence when you like it, or support a candidate, anyway. Its a flip flopper otherwise.
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You must have mistaken me for someone who likes Hilary.
 
Nilly said:
The ability to change your mind on something is a measure of intelligence.
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No, it indicates just that her views aren't stable and she runs for president's office without some economic model for the country to live with.
 
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