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NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

A bigot is a person who has a hateful attitude towards a group of people that he attributes negative traits to, typically based on bias or ignorance.

Which is exactly what you're doing towards the NRA and NRA members, of whom I and many other reasonable people are among.

What is "kill shot mentality"? I am not familiar with this term. You are aware that ALL cops in all departments are taught to shoot for center of mass and keep shooting until the subject is down, in the event shooting is required? And that this is frequently fatal? And that cops are specifically taught NOT to "shoot to wound" as this is an unrealistic effort likely to fail or result in a miss that might harm a bystander?

Well the OP was based on the organization and the leader of the NRA...not at all the members. If hating the NRA makes me a bigot, so be it. I guess we all are a little bigoted towards one thing or another.
 
Why is a college campus an insane place to carry? Are there mass shootings there? This bowl-cut freak in Charleston originally planned to attack a college. A college campus is filled with adults, and with concealed carry the gun is not visible and most will never know. With bars, if the individual isn't drinking or otherwise impaired (at which point he should not be carrying anyway), why shouldn't he be able to protect himself?

Im a history fan and a gun enthusiast, can you explain precisely why there will never be a gun ban? I have no doubt Wal Mart has made money but it was politicians who did that-not wal mart.

The kook could have gotten a gun, built a bomb, or whatever else to accomplish his goal, lets stop trying to legislate based on the actions of an insane person.

The ammo was not banned-thanks to public outcry, but the attempt was made. I have several guns that will penetrate metal and bullet proof vests, most hunting rifles will. Our cops are already come up against it-when criminals break the law.

Law abiding citizens can already own machine guns. And they are almost never used in crime because they are owned by law abiding citizens.



Meh. I knew people, male and female, who carried at college when I was attending, even though it wasn't strictly legal.


None of them ever shot anyone by accident, or in a drunken rage.


Colorado has permitted it for a while now. No incidents to my knowledge.



Said it before: if the large majority of our young adults in University are using the experience to get brain-dead drunk, take stupefying amounts of drugs, and have sex with lots of people they barely know... then something is wrong with our University situation to START with.
 
Guns don't belong in learning environments. I work in several colleges and the maturity level is just not there. On large University campuses...you are talking about people who are 18-23 years old. Combine alcohol and recreational drugs...this could be a disaster. Why tempt fate?

You seem to have a penchant for leaping to conclusions. Concealed-carry on Colorado hasn't been a disaster. My guess is that this is because the people who are licensed to carry are responsible adults who were issued a permit after a background check and etc. They aren't going to be 18-year olds.
 
Excellent point. The vast majority of mass murders occur in "gun free zones", such as most schools and college campi are.

But in reality,there are really no such things as "gun free zones" since America is not a gun free zone. Its on the verge of being an oxymoron.

Look - if some asshole opens fire in a school or church or any other so called gun free zone and somebody is packing and blows him away - the person should get a medal and a parade for heavens sake. But I do not think its too much to ask that we ask people not to bring guns in certain places.

I remember a couple of years ago my wife and I went to Memphis and we did Beale St and all the bars had prominent signs saying no guns were allowed. Probably a wise decision.
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Meh. I knew people, male and female, who carried at college when I was attending, even though it wasn't strictly legal.


None of them ever shot anyone by accident, or in a drunken rage.


Colorado has permitted it for a while now. No incidents to my knowledge.



Said it before: if the large majority of our young adults in University are using the experience to get brain-dead drunk, take stupefying amounts of drugs, and have sex with lots of people they barely know... then something is wrong with our University situation to START with.

Do we really need an incident to happen before we acknowledge a potential threat? College now is much different then when I attended a large university and lived in a dorm. I am not sure if you remember the Michigan Murders, a serial killer who terrorized Eastern Michigan University in the late 60's. I attended in the early 80's and we had a couple of girls murdered in the woods, similar to what happened then. Never once did anyone suggest that girls should carry guns to protect themselves....we attended awareness classes and self defense..such as using the buddy system when walking around campus and a curfew was imposed for awhile. It worked.

As far as rape...we are seeing a different kind of rape...these girls are either drugged or they drank too much and perhaps sent out the wrong message. Education is needed on how to prevent these situations from happening. You can't get drunk and make out and grind against another girl all night and expect the guy to think your a saint when sitting in their lap. LOL. This doesn't make date rape right, but it can be prevented.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_murders
 
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Guns don't belong in learning environments. I work in several colleges and the maturity level is just not there. On large University campuses...you are talking about people who are 18-23 years old. Combine alcohol and recreational drugs...this could be a disaster. Why tempt fate? Someone mentioned rape on campuses in a earlier thread...a gun is not going to do a girl any good is she is drugged from a roofie or passed out drunk. College rapes are different from violent sociopath rape...usually there is a lot of alcohol and many mixed messages. The solution to this problem is much different than adding a gun to the mix. Bars and guns are not a good idea. All it takes is a 21 year old, a gun, 3 shots of Jack and a beer...then add a girl...good decisions are not made. Plus if they are bad shots...others can get killed as well. Why can't we all go and share a few drinks in a place of fun..without worrying about who is strapped. These are not extreme requests. Our most recent cop shooting was from a douche in a bar...

Banning guns will never happen in our life time...stop worrying about it. Banning guns would turn this Nation upside down and it will not work in the US. BTW, it is impossible to purchase a machine gun now...and access is scarce. They are legal under a specific code of transferability. One would need a few bucks to purchase one of those.

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You are blanket smearing young people here. I know plenty of young nurses, are they too immature for nursing? 23 year olds fought WW2, I think they can handle a gun. And there are older students as well. I think you are picturing the sorority house from Revenge of the Nerds, in general, colleges aren't like that these days.

As for drinking, its already illegal to drink and carry, and I know 40 years olds where you could say the same.

Its not impossible to purchase machine guns, they just have to have been manufactured before 1986.
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Meh. I knew people, male and female, who carried at college when I was attending, even though it wasn't strictly legal.


None of them ever shot anyone by accident, or in a drunken rage.


Colorado has permitted it for a while now. No incidents to my knowledge.



Said it before: if the large majority of our young adults in University are using the experience to get brain-dead drunk, take stupefying amounts of drugs, and have sex with lots of people they barely know... then something is wrong with our University situation to START with.

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Another day another gun massacre. Hey ho . As long as the guns are safe what else matters :roll:
 
You are blanket smearing young people here. I know plenty of young nurses, are they too immature for nursing? 23 year olds fought WW2, I think they can handle a gun. And there are older students as well. I think you are picturing the sorority house from Revenge of the Nerds, in general, colleges aren't like that these days.

As for drinking, its already illegal to drink and carry, and I know 40 years olds where you could say the same.

Its not impossible to purchase machine guns, they just have to have been manufactured before 1986.
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I was part of a fraternity in college!! I was a Little Sister of Theta Chi and have attended more frat parties than most ever have. Nursing and carrying a lethal weapon are two different animals. You are not comparing apples to oranges...not even close. Nurses have 2-4 years to learn their skills, compared to walking into Walmart, purchasing a gun before you even know how to load it. I think you are broad brushing that all people have the common sense to own a gun.
 
You are blanket smearing young people here. I know plenty of young nurses, are they too immature for nursing? 23 year olds fought WW2, I think they can handle a gun. And there are older students as well. I think you are picturing the sorority house from Revenge of the Nerds, in general, colleges aren't like that these days.

Yes, there are many non-traditional college students these days, and these include returned vets. The students and staff who are licensed to carry aren't going to be a problem, I don't think.
 
But in reality,there are really no such things as "gun free zones" since America is not a gun free zone. Its on the verge of being an oxymoron.

Look - if some asshole opens fire in a school or church or any other so called gun free zone and somebody is packing and blows him away - the person should get a medal and a parade for heavens sake. But I do not think its too much to ask that we ask people not to bring guns in certain places.

Do you recognize that these two assertions are at odds with each other? That the latter, if obeyed, prevents the former?
 
Do we really need an incident to happen before we acknowledge a potential threat? College now is much different then when I attended a large university and lived in a dorm. I am not sure if you remember the Michigan Murders, a serial killer who terrorized Eastern Michigan University in the late 60's. I attended in the early 80's and we had a couple of girls murdered in the woods, similar to what happened then. Never once did anyone suggest that girls should carry guns to protect themselves....we attended awareness classes and self defense..such as using the buddy system when walking around campus and a curfew was imposed for awhile. It worked.

As far as rape...we are seeing a different kind of rape...these girls are either drugged or they drank too much and perhaps sent out the wrong message. Education is needed on how to prevent these situations from happening. You can't get drunk and make out and grind against another girl all night and expect the guy to think your a saint when sitting in their lap. LOL. This doesn't make date rape right, but it can be prevented.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_murders


Thank you... I firmly agree with you that some "behavior modification" is in order for some (many?) of our university young folks... for some reason when I suggest this I get blasted as a male chauvinist pig...

But I am of the opinion that responsible 21yo+ college students with CCW should not be barred from carrying on campus. It has been done in a number of places successfully.
 
Thank you... I firmly agree with you that some "behavior modification" is in order for some (many?) of our university young folks... for some reason when I suggest this I get blasted as a male chauvinist pig...

But I am of the opinion that responsible 21yo+ college students with CCW should not be barred from carrying on campus. It has been done in a number of places successfully.

Well, the frat-daddies who party are a different student population, generally, than those likely to hold concealed-carry permits. :roll:
 
Thank you... I firmly agree with you that some "behavior modification" is in order for some (many?) of our university young folks... for some reason when I suggest this I get blasted as a male chauvinist pig...

But I am of the opinion that responsible 21yo+ college students with CCW should not be barred from carrying on campus. It has been done in a number of places successfully.

You should'nt be blasted as a pig because you have an opinion from experience. Who would do that? Men can speak their thoughts about rape. I am a college Professor and in control of my classroom...I don't want guns in the classroom...do I have a safety right to demand that? Right now, I do not teach where guns are allowed...signs are posted and so far...no incidences. I have been teaching in college since 1999. It could easily be said, no incidences no guns...just like the Colorado argument.
 
Well, the frat-daddies who party are a different student population, generally, than those likely to hold concealed-carry permits. :roll:

You don't know that for sure...that is quite an assumption. Frat guys are the macho type as well. Gun owners come in all shapes and sizes.
 
Tell it to my pastor. He packs too. :D

Along with most of the Deacons and several ushers and probably a few more...

You ever hear the story of Jesus and the money changers at the temple?

There are certain activities that are inappropriate in Gods house...bringing weapons would fall in to that
 
Letting someone murder a bunch of your fellow church members is far more disrespectful, IMO.


Do I really even have to SAY this after what happened in Charleston? and that isn't the first time it's happened.

Then hire an armed guard to stand outside the church. Don't defame a holy place by bringing in tools of death. I can't believe I even have to say this.

Would you let your daughter wear a miniskirt or would you let your son wear Bermuda shorts to church? Some things just aren't appropriate in a holy place
 
You are blanket smearing young people here. I know plenty of young nurses, are they too immature for nursing? 23 year olds fought WW2, I think they can handle a gun. And there are older students as well. I think you are picturing the sorority house from Revenge of the Nerds, in general, colleges aren't like that these days.

As for drinking, its already illegal to drink and carry, and I know 40 years olds where you could say the same.

Its not impossible to purchase machine guns, they just have to have been manufactured before 1986.
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Yes..for thousands of dollars..some in mint condition, the price of a small car!! Can you purchase a 2015 model?
 
I don't see why I need to explain why I have a knife, a sword or gun like I don't see why I need to explain to someone why I have a couch, a bed, a computer, a painting, or whatever else I happen to have around the house. How is it your business what I happen to own and why do I need to explain myself to you about it? Where I keep it is my concern and if something happens it's my problem, so really, back off and stop being such a pest about it.
I never stated you did - I stated you ( the USA)has a gun problem.
Well some things are regulated, and others are not.
Do you favor no gun laws?
 
In August Texas will join Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi, Oregon, Utah and Wisconsin in allowing concealed-carry on campus. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/03/us/texas-lawmakers-approve-bill-allowing-guns-on-campus.html?_r=0

Well now that is impressive. Why don't we change the age to 16 for gun ownership and allow them to carry in the high schools? After all, some of them are pretty good hunters by then. This is not going to help a thing...the more that do it raises the risk. This is absurd.
 
You don't know that for sure...that is quite an assumption. Frat guys are the macho type as well. Gun owners come in all shapes and sizes.

Gosh, I did not know that. :roll:

Actually, I'm pretty confident that by many years and many students, I have more knowledge and experience with college students and their environment than anyone else here at DP. This is what I mean about your leaping to conclusions.

Because I posted "My decision to own a gun affects only me...," you assumed that I am a gun owner, one you found disturbing because I'm a blowhard paranoid. I don't own a gun. Now you're going to spout inane generalizations about macho frat daddies and how gun owners come in all shapes and sizes because you've had a couple of nurse gigs on a college campus? Spare me. Oh, and don't patronizingly call me "hon" either.

Please. Just don't.
 
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