Page 7 of 67 FirstFirst ... 567891757 ... LastLast
Results 61 to 70 of 670

Thread: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

  1. #61
    Sage
    Ahlevah's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Flyoverland
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,307

    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The NRA board member doesn't seem to understand the notion of responsibility. The blame on this matter is solely on the shooter.
    Yes, the blame for the shooting is solely the responsibility of the shooter, but people should take responsibility for their personal welfare, including defending their lives and those in their charge.
    Нава́льный 2018

  2. #62
    Sage
    rabbitcaebannog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Massachusetts
    Last Seen
    01-22-17 @ 10:23 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    10,294

    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    So, Cotton blames pasture because he voted to not want guns in churches on a piece of legislation. Not surprising at all.

  3. #63
    Sage
    Ahlevah's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Flyoverland
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,307

    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    The NRA is the most vile and disgusting organization in this country. Who in the hell wants to carry a gun to worship in church....
    You mean besides the bad guys? No one really wants to carry guns to church, but have you noticed that houses of worship, like other "gun-free zones," have become targets for "troubled souls" in recent years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    ... and how could anyone suggest that.
    Because, unlike the folks in Charleston, some people take action to avoid becoming victims:

    A gunman attacked worshippers at a Colorado Springs, Colorado, megachurch Sunday afternoon, killing one person and wounding four others before being killed by a security staff member , the city's police chief said.

    Gunman killed after opening fire at church - CNN.com
    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    They use every tragic event to promote their insane ideology. This group appeals to militia idiots and skin heads.
    Actually, folks at the NRA feel compelled to respond, because they've figured out that the gun grabbers will waste no time trying to make political hay out of these tragedies:

    “Now’s the time for mourning and for healing, but let’s be clear — at some point we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries,” Obama said.

    Read more: Obama Calls For Gun Control After Charleston Shooting | The Daily Caller
    Yeah, now's the time for mourning and healing, BUT....
    Нава́льный 2018

  4. #64
    Sage
    Ahlevah's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Flyoverland
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,307

    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The point, made by most, is that the criminal alone is responsible for their criminal acts.
    Yes. I agree the criminal bears responsibility for his acts, but, as I said, people should take responsibility for their own defense.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I doubt whether any of the SC church victims would have been armed even if the law had allowed for it.
    Perhaps not, but since they weren't the outcome was preordained.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    To assert that gun free zone laws/signs cause (attract?) crime is just as silly as saying that no dumping signs cause (attract?) roadside dumping.
    Your analogy makes no sense. The dumper knows no one is there to stop him, so the sign does not serve as a deterrent. On the other hand, if someone has a generic "These premises are protected by a 24-hour monitored alarm" a smart burglar will move on. There's a reason people don't dump in inhabited areas, and I've never seen anyone dump their crap at a police station.
    Нава́льный 2018

  5. #65
    Sage
    Ahlevah's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Flyoverland
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,307

    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Also this type of violence is very rare, even though the media will pith it for ratings, fact is, church and school and theaters are way to safe statistically for that to be a valid argument
    Yes, it is rare. We don't hear much about the people who successfully use firearms to prevent tragedies, such as the Uber driver in Chicago who used a gun to disable a man firing into pedestrians:

    Authorities say no charges will be filed against an Uber driver who shot and wounded a gunman who opened fire on a crowd of people in Logan Square over the weekend.

    The driver had a concealed-carry permit and acted in the defense of himself and others, Assistant State's Attorney Barry Quinn said in court Sunday.

    A group of people had been walking in front of the driver around 11:50 p.m. Friday in the 2900 block of North Milwaukee Avenue when Everardo Custodio, 22, began firing into the crowd, Quinn said.

    The driver pulled out a handgun and fired six shots at Custodio, hitting him several times, according to court records. Responding officers found Custodio lying on the ground, bleeding, Quinn said. No other injuries were reported.

    Uber driver, licensed to carry gun, shoots gunman in Logan Square - Chicago Tribune
    We don't know what would have happened without this armed citizen. I doubt it would have been good. Perhaps we would have had Obama talking about another mass shooting and the need for more gun control.
    Нава́льный 2018

  6. #66
    Sage
    Ahlevah's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Flyoverland
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,307

    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I guess the zone wasn't "gun free".
    No, the bad guy saw to that.
    Нава́льный 2018

  7. #67
    Sage
    Ahlevah's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Flyoverland
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,307

    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    This is just another "Boy, if I had been there I would have kicked his arse" crap". He wasn't there and has no idea how it would have went down if he was.
    Well, no, that's not what he said. Here's what he said:

    "Eight of his church members who might be alive if he had expressly allowed members to carry handguns in church are dead," Cotton wrote.
    I understand it's speculation, but he's correct.
    Нава́льный 2018

  8. #68
    Sage
    Kreton's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Colorado Springs
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,932

    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It was only a matter of time before somebody on the right figured out a way to blame the black people involved in this. The judge opened up the hearing today by first expressing sympathy for the shooter's family. That should give you some insight on how this is gonna go down. I wouldn't be surprised if by next week we hear that Roof had a really tough childhood.
    Considering most Americans had a tough childhood, I'm sure we will. It's not relevant.
    “Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply.”
    Stephen R. Covey


  9. #69
    Sage
    Crosscheck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:57 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    5,958

    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    But your sequence of events is, he killed Charlie THEN threw up.

    If killing people like Dylan Roof makes you like so be it, throw up all you want, just waste him first.

    In 1994 there was a mass shooter at Fairchild AFB In Spokane, and an Air Force security policeman named Andy Brown (graduate of my high school as an unrelated note) killed the gunman with an impressive 70 yard pistol shot.

    He in an interview later with Massad Ayoob admitted the killing took a toll on him. But the point was, it's ok to feel crappy later if you save lives first.

    My point is that some people confuse movies with reality. You just don't know how quick you can react with a flood of adrenaline. Just recently there was the reserve cop who grabbed his pistol instead of his taser with his flood of adrenaline. Walter Mitty may think he could become Rambo or one may freeze at such a shock of events.

    Have always wondered in such situations such as the shooting at Virginia Tech when it is apparent you are probably going to get killed why someone didn't try to jump him and others join in. That would most likely reduce the number killed. But that is easy for me to say because I wasn't there, hell I might have just peed my pants.
    The NRA spokesman should have kept his thought to himself at this time.

    As for the FAFB story , that was truly amazing the young airman was able to stop him at 70 yards with a pistol. Actually that is beyond amazing.

  10. #70
    Global Moderator
    Moderator

    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    29,868

    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Well it's now coming out the parents didn't actually buy him a gun, they have him a few hundred bucks for his birthday and he bought it at a sporting goods store, evidentially the charges for felony drug possession weren't reported to NICS so he passed the background check
    Why Roof's felony drug possession wasn't reported needs an answer.

Page 7 of 67 FirstFirst ... 567891757 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •