Thread: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

Originally Posted by flogger

You are wrong of course and you will defend the gun at any cost, no matter what price in blood your society is forced to pay for it. I could now present a load of facts and figures that illustrate that point but we both know there would be little point in me doing so. I have no real wish to indulge such wilful obfuscation any further frankly and am just thankful to live in a society where I'm free from the fear of being shot. If you are unable to even acknowlege the fundamental point that a gun is a weapon then there's nowhere else to go with pursuing such nonsense.

Good day

You are completely ignorant on where I stand on this issue. I care little about guns. What I care about is logic and definitions. A gun can be a weapon, but a weapon is nothing more than a tool used in an action. My position has nothing to do with guns, but has to do with the problem both with your logic and your definitions. You framed the argument incorrectly.

Originally Posted by flogger

You are wrong of course and you will defend the gun at any cost, no matter what price in blood your society is forced to pay for it. I could now present a load of facts and figures that illustrate that point but we both know there would be little point in me doing so. I have no real wish to indulge such wilful obfuscation any further frankly and am just thankful to live in a society where I'm free from the fear of being shot. If you are unable to even acknowlege the fundamental point that a gun is a weapon then there's nowhere else to go with pursuing such nonsense.

Good day

You are wrong of course and you will defend the criminal at any cost, no matter what price in blood your society is forced to pay for it. I could now present a load of facts and figures that illustrate that point but we both know there would be little point in me doing so. See how that works?

If I remember correctly, you bragged about being a war veteran. Do you want to take back that statement above about being free from fear of being shot. That's just one example of that lie.

Originally Posted by flogger

Stating I was a Falklands war veteran is not the same as bragging about it. There was nothing to brag about nor have I ever done so. That I am free from the fear of being shot is true . I guess in your society you'll never know the value that that sort 'freedom' represents for people here

Obviously, you do not understand "freedom"

You need to free yourself from the unhealthy fear of guns.

Originally Posted by flogger

Only in the US is the weird concept that freedom is somehow defined by having the ability to kill one another more easily.

Your society certainly indulges that 'freedom' in its tens of thousands of every year

The lack of logic in what you said is quite strong. Firstly, in ANY society, people have the ability to kill one another. The ease in which that occurs can be seen with anyone who owns an automobile. Secondly, freedom is not necessarily defined by this ability. People are "free" to do what they wish, however, they are NOT free to do things without consequences. Lastly, whatever your issue with gun is, the problem is not guns. The problem would be why guns are being used in the way that they are.