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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Aircraft carriers have a lot of uses as well but they are still primarily a weapon
    No, they are a transportation vehicle.

    A guns primary use is killing people its what it was invented to do. I would not need to elaborate on this simple easily understood point to most pre school infants
    Which is entirely irrelevant to what they are. A tool in the use of performing an action. I would not need to explain this point to myst pre-school infants.

    Making guns seem harmless and benign when they are so obviously not is being wilfully obtuse in order to try and defend the indefensible frankly
    I never tried to make guns seem harmless and/or benign. I am well aware of what they are often used for. That doesn't give guns any semblance of intent. That is YOUR issue.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

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    As far as I know the queen doesn't have balls, but she does have her own police force used for personal protection armed with Heckler & Koch MP5s. I suppose you think she should get rid it of, I mean since the British are so more civilized than Americans?
    You missed the point.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

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    No, they are a transportation vehicle.
    Nonsense. Using that logic and ICBM is therefore just a transportation device for nukes

    Which is entirely irrelevant to what they are. A tool in the use of performing an action. I would not need to explain this point to myst pre-school infants.
    Thats because they too would know a gun is not a tool. It takes a lot of self delusion to believe that it is

    I never tried to make guns seem harmless and/or benign. I am well aware of what they are often used for. That doesn't give guns any semblance of intent. That is YOUR issue.
    Yeah yeah and lawnmowers dont mow lawns people do. Just how much more difficult would it be though without one ?

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You missed the point.
    So what is the point? Since we're dealing with a hypothetical Joe Average might as well not take defensive measures when clearly people of wealth or status with the means to do so do?
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    So what do racial problems have to do with people defending themselves? It seems as though the places with the highest homicide rates have the most severe restrictions on guns--Chicago; Baltimore; Washington, D.C. And I recall the fun control Chicken Littles screaming that by issuing so many concealed-carry permits we'd have Wyatt Earps and Doc Holidays battling against the Clantons at the local Häagen-Dazs over who was to get the last of the black cherry amaretto. Didn't happen.
    Not much of an answer now is it?
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    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Not much of an answer now is it?
    How so? You point out that the U.S. has "problems," and yet you give no indication how any of these "problems" are relevant to the thread topic. I'm not sure how I can make it any clearer.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    How so? You point out that the U.S. has "problems," and yet you give no indication how any of these "problems" are relevant to the thread topic. I'm not sure how I can make it any clearer.
    Review the points made

    Note - They are all relevant.
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    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
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    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Review the points made

    Note - They are all relevant.
    Yeah, I get that they're relevant. I just can't get how they're relevant to the thread, which is whether people should be permitted to carry firearms into church. What does poverty have to do with it? Or high incarceration rates? Are you arguing that arming people makes the country less safe? So what is the problem in Chicago, Newark, Baltimore, D.C., etc.? Isn't a high homicide rate an argument for giving people a means of defense, or are you arguing that if you only permit criminals and loons to have access to guns while disarming everyone else they'll become more civilized?
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Nonsense. Using that logic and ICBM is therefore just a transportation device for nukes
    Name another purpose for ICBMs. If you can, then they would also be a tool with several purposes. If you can't, then they are a weapon and ONLY a weapon.

    Thats because they too would know a gun is not a tool. It takes a lot of self delusion to believe that it is
    The would believe that a gun is what they were told it was. Many would think it was a toy. You don't seem to understand that guns have several purposes.

    Yeah yeah and lawnmowers dont mow lawns people do. Just how much more difficult would it be though without one ?
    Name another purpose for a lawnmower. If you can, then it is a tool with several purposes. If you cannot, then it's intent is part of the design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    So what is the point? Since we're dealing with a hypothetical Joe Average might as well not take defensive measures when clearly people of wealth or status with the means to do so do?
    No, that wasn't the point at all. The quote "if the queen had balls she'd be king" is an illustration that changing the parameters of a situation will of course alter the outcome, but some of those alterations may not have enough logic behind them to substantiate them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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