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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    One nice thing about being well read is the ability to spot flawed inferences a mile away. Next time dont make things up, it looks bad.

    Associated Press Story: Believe It or Not Mass Killings Are Not on the Rise, They Are on the Decline | TheBlaze.com

    Mass shootings actually in decline in U.S., despite perception | World | News |
    And are you really going to critisize the source I posted and then reply with the blaze.com? C'mon now.

    What is missing from the blaze and torontosun us actual statistics to support their claim. If you go to motherjones, any biases aside, the crimes are listed. It is detailed on a chart with events you can look into independently.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Is there? I haven't seen it. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but I haven't seen it. The number of dead, the number of shootings seems pretty clear cut to me regardless of the source. Now I don't think you can convince me the shootings listed didnt happen, so the only other option would be to find dozens of mass murders that took place and were covered up.
    so what you are really saying is your memory is better for recent shootings than say Huberty at the McDonalds in the 1990s, the Luby's texas massacre, Klebold and Harris in Colorado. and of course what constitutes a "mass shooting" but one thing is clear-gun violence is decreasing in the USA
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Or is the evidence you are thinking pointing to overall violent crime rates, or murder rates are down? I recently found that those are true. overall murders are down, but mass shootings are up from what i found.
    I guess the real question is-gun violence going down even though more and more guns are in circulation-and the answer is a clear yes. So why would anyone want more gun control if gun violence is decreasing
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I guess the real question is-gun violence going down even though more and more guns are in circulation-and the answer is a clear yes. So why would anyone want more gun control if gun violence is decreasing
    Gun violence is down. Yes. However mass murders are up. One does not equal the other. You are arguing a point I am not making.

    Also I am not stating mass murders are up as way of promoting more gun control. I am stating the number of mass murders are increasing because the number of mass murders is increasing.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Gun violence is down. Yes. However mass murders are up. One does not equal the other. You are arguing a point I am not making.

    Also I am not stating mass murders are up as way of promoting more gun control. I am stating the number of mass murders are increasing because the number of mass murders is increasing.
    mass murders really aren't an issue-its overall crimes of violence. BTW the best way to stop mass murders-shoot the asshole before he can kill more. That is the recommendation of the leading experts on active shooters since an active shooter is essentially the same as a Kamikaze pilot. They already are dead. so even the threat of being impaled anally on a red hot skewer isn't going to deter them. All you can do is whack them as quick as possible. and you probably understand the difference between elastic vs inelastic demand. kamikazes are the least likely to be deterred from getting a gun by laws that make their acquisition more difficult
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Racial problems, high incarceration rate, poverty levels above OECD averages.
    So what do racial problems have to do with people defending themselves? It seems as though the places with the highest homicide rates have the most severe restrictions on guns--Chicago; Baltimore; Washington, D.C. And I recall the fun control Chicken Littles screaming that by issuing so many concealed-carry permits we'd have Wyatt Earps and Doc Holidays battling against the Clantons at the local Häagen-Dazs over who was to get the last of the black cherry amaretto. Didn't happen.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    mass murders really aren't an issue-its overall crimes of violence. BTW the best way to stop mass murders-shoot the asshole before he can kill more. That is the recommendation of the leading experts on active shooters since an active shooter is essentially the same as a Kamikaze pilot. They already are dead. so even the threat of being impaled anally on a red hot skewer isn't going to deter them. All you can do is whack them as quick as possible. and you probably understand the difference between elastic vs inelastic demand. kamikazes are the least likely to be deterred from getting a gun by laws that make their acquisition more difficult
    I am not talking about gun laws. I haven't said anything along those lines. I refuted what someine else posted about mass murders decreasing.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I am not talking about gun laws. I haven't said anything along those lines. I refuted what someine else posted about mass murders decreasing.
    OK, carry on!
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Whether you like mother jones or not, can you dispute any of the shootings that have taken place that are posted on that site? There is nothing to refute the data provided.
    Ah yes there is, my data disuptes yours.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    From your article.



    This statement from your article is completely misleading. Completely. There is no data (that I have found) showing any decline in mass shootings. The 3-4 mass shootings per year in the US is probably accurate since the 80's but that is not what we are talking about. During the 80's the US was experiencing less than 2 per year. Since 2010 we are averaging over 4 per year. Down playing it by stating the 3-4 per year does not mean it was less unless during the 80's and 90's there were actually fewer than that.
    Firstly I dont see you providing data to back your assertions, secondly I dont see you going to his sources to disprove his.

    I believe that is because you are incorrect, the data does not match your claim.

    This is where you provide evidence, otherwise its just cause you say so, and forgive me but such matters are too important to leave to that.

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