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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    This is just another "Boy, if I had been there I would have kicked his arse" crap". He wasn't there and has no idea how it would have went down if he was. He may have crapped his pants too. Nobody really knows how they would have reacted in a situation as this. He may have been able to stop him from further shooting or he may have been the first shot. You can never be 100% safe in life.

    Knew a guy who fought in Vietnam and after he killed his first Viet Cong he threw up. Not every thing is like how it is portrayed in the movies. Anyone ever have a fistfight like seen in a movie?
    But your sequence of events is, he killed Charlie THEN threw up.

    If killing people like Dylan Roof makes you like so be it, throw up all you want, just waste him first.

    In 1994 there was a mass shooter at Fairchild AFB In Spokane, and an Air Force security policeman named Andy Brown (graduate of my high school as an unrelated note) killed the gunman with an impressive 70 yard pistol shot.

    He in an interview later with Massad Ayoob admitted the killing took a toll on him. But the point was, it's ok to feel crappy later if you save lives first.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I left due to LaPierres "Jack booted thugs" comment. They definitely should rethink some of the things said. Still...while we can point to the occasional instance that is just radically over the top, the fact remains they DO actively stand for 120 million legal gun owners.
    That was before I was even born I think, but what galls me is the NRA, blamed the sandy hook shooting on some 12 bit computer game for DOS no one had heard of... Looked like an idiot there, they blame mass shootings on mental illness which I agree with, but never explain what to do about or endorse legislation to attack that angle.

    Then there's the complete silence after every shooting they have, they take down their facebook page and hide instead of suggest solutions and tell the media they're not responsible for what a criminal / psycho does
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Today in America religion is frowned upon especially Christianity. Today in America gun ownership is on a dramatic increase. Today in America carrying guns on school campuses is being debated today in many states. Today in America open carry laws are being passed in several states. Today in America we turn on the television and watch movies we see many people gunned down every single day. Today in America you need to carry a weapon to protect yourself regardless of "no carry zone".rules. Better alive than dead.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    If the good reverend had given his consent to members to carry concealed weopons, it's possible someone would have been armed other the Mr. Roof. Not defending the NRA board member personally, just his logic, which is sound. The fact that he's right and touched a nerve is why his comments are getting such a visceral reaction from the anti-gun crowd. They just can't acknowledge that people who have the ability to defend themselves stand a better chance of not getting shot than those who don't. Seems like common sense, but then maybe I expect too much from liberals.
    It's not visceral hatred of guns, it's putting blame on the shooter.

    Comments like this politicizing the tragedy are every bit as bad as the President doing so.


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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Just scanning the forum, we have tons of threads on this issue. Here's what happened:

    Some hateful asshole decided to go into a church and kill 9 people in the name of racism.

    Here is who's fault it is NOT:
    1) Whites
    2) Blacks
    3) People who support gun rights
    4) People who do not support gun rights
    5) The NRA
    6) The Brady Campaign
    7) Guns
    8) Bullets
    9) Obama
    10) Bush
    11) The Pastor
    12) The parents of the shooter
    13) Muslims
    14) Jews
    15) The French
    16) Anyone other than the shooter

    And here who is responsible for the killings:

    1) The shooter

    Let's all show some logic and common sense and NOT hypocrisy and place the blame where it belongs. No one forced him to kill those people and ease of access, if that is what was there, STILL does not place blame anywhere other than with the shooter.
    If it is true that the parents of the shooter bought this kid the gun he used and gave it to him for a birthday present, then they share some blame in my book. Perhaps what they did wasn't criminal, but it is easily one of the stupidest things anyone has done in a long, long time. But other than that, yes, the one responsible here is the shooter.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Oh, I know. I'm just not holding my breath seeing the judge's history and performance so far. In a crime where the ONLY victims are 9 black people, he thought it appropriate to also comfort the killer's family. That doesn't give me much hope.
    Well will this judge even be the trial judge? This judge is certainly a doofus but in the trials I've watched before (admittedly all in Washington but still) the bail hearing is conducted by a rotating schedule of judges. And a trial judge is assigned at a later date, very rarely are these the same judges unless the county is really small. Maybe in SC it's different. But I would look into it
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    If it is true that the parents of the shooter bought this kid the gun he used and gave it to him for a birthday present, then they share some blame in my book. Perhaps what they did wasn't criminal, but it is easily one of the stupidest things anyone has done in a long, long time. But other than that, yes, the one responsible here is the shooter.
    Well it's now coming out the parents didn't actually buy him a gun, they have him a few hundred bucks for his birthday and he bought it at a sporting goods store, evidentially the charges for felony drug possession weren't reported to NICS so he passed the background check
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    Today in America you need to carry a weapon to protect yourself regardless of "no carry zone".rules. Better alive than dead.
    There is some sense in that sentiment. My 80 year old mother in law carries a handgun in her purse. She has for years. No one would suspect the tiny woman of being a crack-shot, but she is. I pity the Dylan Roof who decides to go postal in her company.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Well it's now coming out the parents didn't actually buy him a gun, they have him a few hundred bucks for his birthday and he bought it at a sporting goods store, evidentially the charges for felony drug possession weren't reported to NICS so he passed the background check
    OK. Thanks for the clarification

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    It really bothers me that the NRA jumped to the politics of the issue almost as quickly as the President did. Confirms for me my decision to leave the NRA I made a few years back.
    "Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people." - Penn Jillette.

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