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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

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    They are probably a rare collector gun by now. I am holding out for the new Civilian Drone Program....you can have them hover over you, surveying the scene and then strike when necessary.... j/k This is an interesting article to chew on...I am not a fan of the site at all...but sometimes you find a article that is not slanted far left. A heavily regulated gun and only 2 deaths in 80 years.

    Fully automatic guns in the US are highly regulated, and regulation works
    machine guns were never all that popular among criminals anyway and they are widely available on the world market and yet they still aren't all that popular with US Criminals-not even ones who have no trouble importing billions of cocaine. You see most criminals prefer concealable handguns and that is why long guns-be they semi or full auto are used in less than about 2% of the gun murders. They stand out and are very conspicuous

    but what we do know is that there was absolutely no rational reason to ban new machine guns so it proves that gun banners have ulterior motives that have nothing to do with crime control
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

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    I agree...I think some get the appearance of the gun mixed up with its lethal qualities. I used to feel that way too...until I realized that my gun is considered a semi assault weapon...a 9mm. I chose it because of how smooth it is ...no kick, soft trigger, not real loud, etc. It felt the safest for me to use. I don't think semi assaults are any more dangerous than any other. They look scarier than they are. Many hunters use them...the AR-15 is very popular for hunters. I think a shot gun feels the scariest. The problem..this is a pissing contest between the extremes. The right has more leverage because of the Constitution is on their side. The left uses emotion and "what if's"...both if combined could be useful to gun regulation.
    tell us what is USEFUL gun regulation GIVEN everything harmful you can do with a firearm is already illegal and using a firearm to further other crimes invariably leads to increased sentences. and if you have been adjudicated a threat to public safety-or even under indictment-its a federal felony to merely possess a firearm
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

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    no what you are talking about is a guestimation what a person or deity who may or may not have existed might have theoretically believed. I am basing my position on facts, and current events

    if you believe in God that God exists in the mall, the spa, the car lot or a church. why a church is any different it escapes me. A person competent to carry a gun in a mall is equally competent in a church. That he might offend some people matters not to me.



    At the very least, let individual churches choose as a congregation whether to be "CCW friendly" or not... and then let the parishoners "vote with their feet".

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    machine guns were never all that popular among criminals anyway and they are widely available on the world market and yet they still aren't all that popular with US Criminals-not even ones who have no trouble importing billions of cocaine. You see most criminals prefer concealable handguns and that is why long guns-be they semi or full auto are used in less than about 2% of the gun murders. They stand out and are very conspicuous

    but what we do know is that there was absolutely no rational reason to ban new machine guns so it proves that gun banners have ulterior motives that have nothing to do with crime control
    I don't know, I am kind of glad they are not in circulation. LE's job is hard enough and if they were cheap enough...you can't say for certain who they would appeal to if they were easily obtained. We have adequate stop power with what is legal already.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    At the very least, let individual churches choose as a congregation whether to be "CCW friendly" or not... and then let the parishoners "vote with their feet".
    smart idea. look if some pastor is afraid of guns and wants to keep his church a victim disarmament zone its his call. I agree with you. A local restaurant I used to go into a lot before CCW-had a no CCW sign. I ran into the owner one day and she said "where have you and your wife and son been" and I said-my wife always carry, I sometimes do and we don't go into places where we have to lock our guns in the car. and she said-yeah I have heard that from others

    a short time later the sign came down
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    I don't know, I am kind of glad they are not in circulation. LE's job is hard enough and if they were cheap enough...you can't say for certain who they would appeal to if they were easily obtained. We have adequate stop power with what is legal already.
    so 80 years and two crimes didn't convince you. I oppose the idiotic NFA and its unconstitutional but your fears are without any basis
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

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    tell us what is USEFUL gun regulation GIVEN everything harmful you can do with a firearm is already illegal and using a firearm to further other crimes invariably leads to increased sentences. and if you have been adjudicated a threat to public safety-or even under indictment-its a federal felony to merely possess a firearm
    The shooter in the church had a pending felony charge against him...and he still bought one.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

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    so 80 years and two crimes didn't convince you. I oppose the idiotic NFA and its unconstitutional but your fears are without any basis
    Can you truthfully say that the 80 years and 2 crimes was because of the regulation? This can be seen both ways. We both could be wrong or right...we simply do not know for sure. You want wide open carry and ownership for every lethal weapon under the sun...others have a line in the sand.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    The shooter in the church had a pending felony charge against him...and he still bought one.
    uh if he BOUGHT ONE it was before the pending felony charge but the at least some of the reports said his father gave it to him BEFORE the pending felony charge.

    oh once he was under indictment it was a felony for him to own the gun-that worked to stop him didn't it?
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    Can you truthfully say that the 80 years and 2 crimes was because of the regulation? This can be seen both ways. We both could be wrong or right...we simply do not know for sure. You want wide open carry and ownership for every lethal weapon under the sun...others have a line in the sand.
    do you actually understand what the Hughes Amendment was?
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