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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

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    do you recognize that these two assertions are at odds with each other? That the latter, if obeyed, prevents the former?
    yes they are - and i will accept that if it results in saving lives.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) having a gun and not needing one causes you no problems

    2) needing a gun and not having one is the mistake hundreds of victims did not live to regret

    why should I hire a guard when I am an expert level shooter.
    Nobody cares how good of a shooter you are, cowboy. Church is a holy place. The issue is one of being respectful of the holiness of that place

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    yes they are - and i will accept that if it results in saving lives.


    Ok now you've truly baffled me. You'll accept that barring guns from certain places means there will be nobody armed to stop the bad guy, or you'll accept the opposite?

    Can't do both without violating causality and sending the entire Universe down a wormhole, so answer carefully.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Nobody cares how good of a shooter you are, cowboy. Church is a holy place. The issue is one of being respectful of the holiness of that place

    I'm trying to keep it holy by not letting some hater spill the blood of the innocent there.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Except that almost all mass murders have been committed in places where guns are banned... demonstrating the ineffectiveness of the whole viewpoint.




    Namely that this never happens:

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    I know, and for every point in a argument for each side, there is always a rebuttal that makes sense. Surely you admit, we are seeing more problems like this...the root being violence and unfortunately, guns are used in most of them. This is such a complex problem with so many different elements factored in. We have to react to it without adding more to the problem...I think to remain civilized. I bought my gun and the only thing I had to do was pass a background check and answer 2 questions regarding mental illness diagnoses. 10 minutes later we walked with it...didn't even know how to load it or clean it. I took it a step further and attended the gun safety classes, both of them before I hit the range. This was voluntary in my State...not mandated. I think we should enforce gun safety classes to purchase a gun. There are other problems besides Mass shootings, such as accidents in the home involving children. I have had this same conversation with many LE neighbors and they acknowledge there are problems and have great solutions. Why can't our elected politicians do the same? We can't see these numbers increase and do nothing about it but argue...we are a much better nation than what we are showing the world right now.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Nobody cares how good of a shooter you are, cowboy. Church is a holy place. The issue is one of being respectful of the holiness of that place
    This sort of silliness is why I have a very dim view of organized religion. and its idiotic to assume armed criminals are actually going to give a rat's ass about your silly views about churches. we certainly know I am right given what happened in South Carolina.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I'm trying to keep it holy by not letting some hater spill the blood of the innocent there.
    He apparently is one of those who believes gun free signs keep bad guys out. its unbelievable silliness
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I'm trying to keep it holy by not letting some hater spill the blood of the innocent there.
    What would Jesus do?

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    In August Texas will join Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi, Oregon, Utah and Wisconsin in allowing concealed-carry on campus. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/03/us...mpus.html?_r=0
    Its about time.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    This sort of silliness is why I have a very dim view of organized religion. and its idiotic to assume armed criminals are actually going to give a rat's ass about your silly views about churches. we certainly know I am right given what happened in South Carolina.
    There are literally several million church services a week, and this is the only church shooting I can ever recall. So the odds of getting shot in church is literally lottery odds.

    But you seem to think you need to be packing lol

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