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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

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    Well...hon..lets agree to disagree about his one. Also, not agreeing or actually despising the NRA does not make one a bigot...learn the definition. Most forum posters use the term bigot too loosely and it does not apply here. Actually, you have disappointed me. I have always held LE is such high regard...heros actually. I am glad the ones I worship with, work with, and my neighbors do not have the "kill shot" mentality. They are among the most honorable men and women I know.

    A bigot is a person who has a hateful attitude towards a group of people that he attributes negative traits to, typically based on bias or ignorance.

    Which is exactly what you're doing towards the NRA and NRA members, of whom I and many other reasonable people are among.

    What is "kill shot mentality"? I am not familiar with this term. You are aware that ALL cops in all departments are taught to shoot for center of mass and keep shooting until the subject is down, in the event shooting is required? And that this is frequently fatal? And that cops are specifically taught NOT to "shoot to wound" as this is an unrealistic effort likely to fail or result in a miss that might harm a bystander?

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

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    Actually college campi are KNOWN to be places where rapes and assaults are an issue... why don't you want responsible people to be able to defend themselves on campus?
    They're also where mass murders have occurred. And BTW, Colorado has allowed concealed-carry on campus for quite some time now with no problems reported.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

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    They're also where mass murders have occurred. And BTW, Colorado has allowed concealed-carry on campus for quite some time now with no problems reported.

    Excellent point. The vast majority of mass murders occur in "gun free zones", such as most schools and college campi are.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    See, that is what I see the far right doing..pushing the safety issue to carry in absurd places...such as college campuses and bars. WFT...Bars? Gun sales soared because we have a sick perception of what reality is. There will never be a gun ban and we all know it. All those gun sales accomplished was increased profits for stores like Walmart...LOL. What we did, we armed more kooks...like the kid who shot up the church. The ammo that was banned, was metal piercing bullets...and could pierce through a bullet proof vest...is this the type of ammo we want our cops to come up against? The right extreme would push for machine guns if they could find a audience to rile up.
    Why is a college campus an insane place to carry? Are there mass shootings there? This bowl-cut freak in Charleston originally planned to attack a college. A college campus is filled with adults, and with concealed carry the gun is not visible and most will never know. With bars, if the individual isn't drinking or otherwise impaired (at which point he should not be carrying anyway), why shouldn't he be able to protect himself?

    Im a history fan and a gun enthusiast, can you explain precisely why there will never be a gun ban? I have no doubt Wal Mart has made money but it was politicians who did that-not wal mart.

    The kook could have gotten a gun, built a bomb, or whatever else to accomplish his goal, lets stop trying to legislate based on the actions of an insane person.

    The ammo was not banned-thanks to public outcry, but the attempt was made. I have several guns that will penetrate metal and bullet proof vests, most hunting rifles will. Our cops are already come up against it-when criminals break the law.

    Law abiding citizens can already own machine guns. And they are almost never used in crime because they are owned by law abiding citizens.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

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    Why is a college campus an insane place to carry? Are there mass shootings there? This bowl-cut freak in Charleston originally planned to attack a college. A college campus is filled with adults, and with concealed carry the gun is not visible and most will never know. With bars, if the individual isn't drinking or otherwise impaired (at which point he should not be carrying anyway), why shouldn't he be able to protect himself?

    Im a history fan and a gun enthusiast, can you explain precisely why there will never be a gun ban? I have no doubt Wal Mart has made money but it was politicians who did that-not wal mart.

    The kook could have gotten a gun, built a bomb, or whatever else to accomplish his goal, lets stop trying to legislate based on the actions of an insane person.

    The ammo was not banned-thanks to public outcry, but the attempt was made. I have several guns that will penetrate metal and bullet proof vests, most hunting rifles will. Our cops are already come up against it-when criminals break the law.

    Law abiding citizens can already own machine guns. And they are almost never used in crime because they are owned by law abiding citizens.
    Guns don't belong in learning environments. I work in several colleges and the maturity level is just not there. On large University campuses...you are talking about people who are 18-23 years old. Combine alcohol and recreational drugs...this could be a disaster. Why tempt fate? Someone mentioned rape on campuses in a earlier thread...a gun is not going to do a girl any good is she is drugged from a roofie or passed out drunk. College rapes are different from violent sociopath rape...usually there is a lot of alcohol and many mixed messages. The solution to this problem is much different than adding a gun to the mix. Bars and guns are not a good idea. All it takes is a 21 year old, a gun, 3 shots of Jack and a beer...then add a girl...good decisions are not made. Plus if they are bad shots...others can get killed as well. Why can't we all go and share a few drinks in a place of fun..without worrying about who is strapped. These are not extreme requests. Our most recent cop shooting was from a douche in a bar...

    Banning guns will never happen in our life time...stop worrying about it. Banning guns would turn this Nation upside down and it will not work in the US. BTW, it is impossible to purchase a machine gun now...and access is scarce. They are legal under a specific code of transferability. One would need a few bucks to purchase one of those.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    A bigot is a person who has a hateful attitude towards a group of people that he attributes negative traits to, typically based on bias or ignorance.

    Which is exactly what you're doing towards the NRA and NRA members, of whom I and many other reasonable people are among.

    What is "kill shot mentality"? I am not familiar with this term. You are aware that ALL cops in all departments are taught to shoot for center of mass and keep shooting until the subject is down, in the event shooting is required? And that this is frequently fatal? And that cops are specifically taught NOT to "shoot to wound" as this is an unrealistic effort likely to fail or result in a miss that might harm a bystander?
    Well the OP was based on the organization and the leader of the NRA...not at all the members. If hating the NRA makes me a bigot, so be it. I guess we all are a little bigoted towards one thing or another.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Why is a college campus an insane place to carry? Are there mass shootings there? This bowl-cut freak in Charleston originally planned to attack a college. A college campus is filled with adults, and with concealed carry the gun is not visible and most will never know. With bars, if the individual isn't drinking or otherwise impaired (at which point he should not be carrying anyway), why shouldn't he be able to protect himself?

    Im a history fan and a gun enthusiast, can you explain precisely why there will never be a gun ban? I have no doubt Wal Mart has made money but it was politicians who did that-not wal mart.

    The kook could have gotten a gun, built a bomb, or whatever else to accomplish his goal, lets stop trying to legislate based on the actions of an insane person.

    The ammo was not banned-thanks to public outcry, but the attempt was made. I have several guns that will penetrate metal and bullet proof vests, most hunting rifles will. Our cops are already come up against it-when criminals break the law.

    Law abiding citizens can already own machine guns. And they are almost never used in crime because they are owned by law abiding citizens.


    Meh. I knew people, male and female, who carried at college when I was attending, even though it wasn't strictly legal.


    None of them ever shot anyone by accident, or in a drunken rage.


    Colorado has permitted it for a while now. No incidents to my knowledge.



    Said it before: if the large majority of our young adults in University are using the experience to get brain-dead drunk, take stupefying amounts of drugs, and have sex with lots of people they barely know... then something is wrong with our University situation to START with.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    Guns don't belong in learning environments. I work in several colleges and the maturity level is just not there. On large University campuses...you are talking about people who are 18-23 years old. Combine alcohol and recreational drugs...this could be a disaster. Why tempt fate?
    You seem to have a penchant for leaping to conclusions. Concealed-carry on Colorado hasn't been a disaster. My guess is that this is because the people who are licensed to carry are responsible adults who were issued a permit after a background check and etc. They aren't going to be 18-year olds.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Excellent point. The vast majority of mass murders occur in "gun free zones", such as most schools and college campi are.
    But in reality,there are really no such things as "gun free zones" since America is not a gun free zone. Its on the verge of being an oxymoron.

    Look - if some asshole opens fire in a school or church or any other so called gun free zone and somebody is packing and blows him away - the person should get a medal and a parade for heavens sake. But I do not think its too much to ask that we ask people not to bring guns in certain places.

    I remember a couple of years ago my wife and I went to Memphis and we did Beale St and all the bars had prominent signs saying no guns were allowed. Probably a wise decision.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Meh. I knew people, male and female, who carried at college when I was attending, even though it wasn't strictly legal.


    None of them ever shot anyone by accident, or in a drunken rage.


    Colorado has permitted it for a while now. No incidents to my knowledge.



    Said it before: if the large majority of our young adults in University are using the experience to get brain-dead drunk, take stupefying amounts of drugs, and have sex with lots of people they barely know... then something is wrong with our University situation to START with.
    Do we really need an incident to happen before we acknowledge a potential threat? College now is much different then when I attended a large university and lived in a dorm. I am not sure if you remember the Michigan Murders, a serial killer who terrorized Eastern Michigan University in the late 60's. I attended in the early 80's and we had a couple of girls murdered in the woods, similar to what happened then. Never once did anyone suggest that girls should carry guns to protect themselves....we attended awareness classes and self defense..such as using the buddy system when walking around campus and a curfew was imposed for awhile. It worked.

    As far as rape...we are seeing a different kind of rape...these girls are either drugged or they drank too much and perhaps sent out the wrong message. Education is needed on how to prevent these situations from happening. You can't get drunk and make out and grind against another girl all night and expect the guy to think your a saint when sitting in their lap. LOL. This doesn't make date rape right, but it can be prevented.

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