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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That's an incredibly disrespectful thing to do in the lord's house.

    Letting someone murder a bunch of your fellow church members is far more disrespectful, IMO.


    Do I really even have to SAY this after what happened in Charleston? and that isn't the first time it's happened.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    I don't think I am projecting or broad brushing, the folks I know who are gun owners never mention this kind of stuff...maybe they do so in gun threads on forums..LOL. Don't think for one minute you would not be judged for protecting yourself...look what is happening to cops these days. If we can blame victims for their own deaths because they were not carrying...you are not immune from it in the event that you need to use one. I really see victim blaming coming in our future, to those on the far right of this issue. If you are not carrying, you asked for it. Do we really want to go down this road as a civilized Nation?
    I dont blame the victims, I blame the people who pass laws to make people into victims.
    I dont believe the NRA guy was blaming the victims, but the pastor of that church was a political figure who opposed guns.
    As for concealed carry, most people will never know I am doing it-and if I ever need the gun I don't care what others think, it was needed to protect my life.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Have it where? Open ended question.
    Locked and secured?
    Used for shooting coyotes and such on your ranch?

    But down south it has gone to open carny, guns in churches, I think you have a gun problem.

    I am going when time permits for my PAL, in Canada need one to purchase a gun or ammo.
    I don't see why I need to explain why I have a knife, a sword or gun like I don't see why I need to explain to someone why I have a couch, a bed, a computer, a painting, or whatever else I happen to have around the house. How is it your business what I happen to own and why do I need to explain myself to you about it? Where I keep it is my concern and if something happens it's my problem, so really, back off and stop being such a pest about it.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Im a realist-when real people really try to take my guns away with through real courts and real laws I take notice. I already live in one of the most anti-gun states in the nation, where you have to be a "somebody" or know someone to get a permit. I see the erosion of my liberties with every new scheme hatched by the left here, from banning superficial cosmetic features that in no way impact a guns operation to ammo no different from the rest except its also used in military rifles.

    Obama isn't only impotent, he's inconsistent-where was he to scold us after those NYPD cops were assassinated? How about when Chris Kyle was murdered? It was crickets-because it wasn't advantageous to his agenda. And then he says these shootings dont happen in other advanced nations when I can name a half dozen off the top of my head. At least we agree he needs to STFU. He's needed to for some time.

    BTW-gun sails have soared under him because Americans wan't their guns and are worried he's going to attempt to ban them. His comments on this latest shooting are only going to increase them further, as did his attempted ammo ban a few months ago. The left is always probing-seeing what they can get away with.
    See, that is what I see the far right doing..pushing the safety issue to carry in absurd places...such as college campuses and bars. WFT...Bars? Gun sales soared because we have a sick perception of what reality is. There will never be a gun ban and we all know it. All those gun sales accomplished was increased profits for stores like Walmart...LOL. What we did, we armed more kooks...like the kid who shot up the church. The ammo that was banned, was metal piercing bullets...and could pierce through a bullet proof vest...is this the type of ammo we want our cops to come up against? The right extreme would push for machine guns if they could find a audience to rile up.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    My WWII Vet Father was a member of the NRA as well and ripped his card into pieces and sent it back with a letter. Your narrow mindedness is just as ignorant if you cannot see what they have become. They are keeping the masses riled up...and use every tragic incident as a stage to work up the paranoid with gun grabbing.
    The "masses"?!

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I guess you didn't click on the link.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    I don't think I am projecting or broad brushing, the folks I know who are gun owners never mention this kind of stuff...maybe they do so in gun threads on forums..LOL. Don't think for one minute you would not be judged for protecting yourself...look what is happening to cops these days. If we can blame victims for their own deaths because they were not carrying...you are not immune from it in the event that you need to use one. I really see victim blaming coming in our future, to those on the far right of this issue. If you are not carrying, you asked for it. Do we really want to go down this road as a civilized Nation?

    As I said earlier, the NRA guy had a point, but he blew it with a bad presentation and WAY too much implication of blame on Senator/Pastor Pinkney.

    Personally my thought process, once the shock and dismay had settled a bit, was "darn shame nobody was armed and able to stop that loonie before he killed so many."

    I'd say that is a more accurate depiction of how most of us pro types view this issue, than that we BLAME anyone except the shooter.


    I don't look down on people who don't carry. I have some loved ones who don't carry and I cherish them and pray for their safety. Mostly I pray that I (or someone like me) is near at hand if they are ever seriously threatened.... since a good guy with a gun is the typically the surest way to stop a bad guy with one.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Dear, the anti's use ever such incident as a chance to drum up support for new gun control, so it is only natural that the NRA works to counter their efforts. That's its purpose.

    When someone proposes new gun control that would
    1. Inhibit the criminals and crazies strongly and the law-abiding gun owner but little;
    2. Would actually have a strong positive impact on criminal gun misuse
    3. Doesn't violate the 2A or tar with too broad a brush...

    Then you'll see gun owner support. Hell the NRA supports *some* gun control, including strict enforcement of all existing laws aimed at barring felons from buying them (which the government sadly doesn't enforce very rigorously at all).

    Until then... well, what you said was still very broad-brush and ugly and revealed a hatefulness and bigotry I didn't expect of you. Shame on you.
    Well...hon..lets agree to disagree about his one. Also, not agreeing or actually despising the NRA does not make one a bigot...learn the definition. Most forum posters use the term bigot too loosely and it does not apply here. Actually, you have disappointed me. I have always held LE is such high regard...heros actually. I am glad the ones I worship with, work with, and my neighbors do not have the "kill shot" mentality. They are among the most honorable men and women I know.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    Even in the event of a home invasion and you killed someone legally, who wants the stigma of that? You would still need an attorney, there would be an investigation, and in my case as a nurse and teacher...what would my workplace think if I shot a unarmed kid stealing my TV. I think the folks who brag about dropping a home intruder only see the kill...not the aftermath. This is what I see as disturbing. Do you wait to see if the intruder is armed...or is that too late?
    You aren't going to have to worry about a lawyer or what your workplace will think if you're dead.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    See, that is what I see the far right doing..pushing the safety issue to carry in absurd places...such as college campuses and bars. WFT...Bars? Gun sales soared because we have a sick perception of what reality is. There will never be a gun ban and we all know it. All those gun sales accomplished was increased profits for stores like Walmart...LOL. What we did, we armed more kooks...like the kid who shot up the church. The ammo that was banned, was metal piercing bullets...and could pierce through a bullet proof vest...is this the type of ammo we want our cops to come up against? The right extreme would push for machine guns if they could find a audience to rile up.

    Do people get attacked, raped and sometimes murdered on college campi? Yes they do.

    Bars is an overstatement... typically we're talking about restaurants that serve alcohol, and you're barred from drinking if you're carrying. We've had that one in my state for a couple years now... no problems to my knowledge.

    Actually college campi are KNOWN to be places where rapes and assaults are an issue... why don't you want responsible people to be able to defend themselves on campus?


    Is a raped women with her panties around her throat (where they were used to strangle her) somehow morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun in her hand and dead rapist at her feet? Hell no!

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