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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

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    We live in relatively free and open society, there will always be people who get past mental health screens. In school I did a 3 month rotation in mental health and patients on 5150's were released ALL THE TIME, as long as they did not meet the criteria for detainment. These people are out there, and many of these shooters are young men who aren't even part of the mental health system at the time they commit these crimes. Thats not going to change.

    At the same time, more restrictive societies/nations have the same issues-sometimes with different weapons, sometimes with the same-but the common thread is that they have psych issues-following the law is not on the radar.

    You want to talk about solutions? We can only do that when we admit reality-that these things will be a problem as long as society exists. Beyond that-CCW decreases both the odds of attacks and the death toll when they are committed. The data also shows that the biggest factor in stopping these attacks is getting someone with a gun to the scene as soon as possible-because when confronted these shooters almost always kill themselves or surrender-which stops the attack.

    Try to divorce yourself from emotion and politics and think about this from an epidemiological point of view. Thats how we solve these problems, not attacking honest law abiding citizens as "gun nuts" (which, by the lefts definition includes YOU).
    The only folks who earn that label...in my eyes has been defined in other posts in this thread. To me, a person who brags about what they will do in the event of self defense is just as sick as the murderer. Both are premeditated actions. If you have never been put in a situation that intense, you have no idea what you will do...you could curl up in the fetal position and beg for your life. It is not the action so much that bothers me...it is the blow hard,
    I am more bad ass than you mentality. This could make your average person paranoid and quick to pull the trigger. Even in the event of a home invasion and you killed someone legally, who wants the stigma of that? You would still need an attorney, there would be an investigation, and in my case as a nurse and teacher...what would my workplace think if I shot a unarmed kid stealing my TV. I think the folks who brag about dropping a home intruder only see the kill...not the aftermath. This is what I see as disturbing. Do you wait to see if the intruder is armed...or is that too late?

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    One of the first things Obama did after this shooting was complain about guns. Several powerful high ranking leftist congressional reps have said the same.
    If they could ban guns they simply would.
    As it stands-they dont have the political capital and even if they did-the fallout (as in the 94 Clinton ban) would be detrimental to those politicians.
    Banning guns will never happen and it is a waste of time to pursue that mindset. I would never worry about that. A politician will never campaign on gun banning, because they will sure lose. Then, think about the American companies who manufacture guns...guns are a huge part of our economy. Obama has no room to scold anyone since he has been impotent on this issue. He is in a position to make a difference and come up with a solution that satisfies everyone, and he didn't. At this point, he needs to STFU. LOL. He has had more mass shootings and violence under his leadership than any I can remember. Gun sales have soared under him. He let that ship sail..and he failed on public safety.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    your definition of common sense is not sensical to me. I guess I just don't find a church or parishioners much different than other assembly areas. No one has been able to explain why a church should be different than a school, a mall, a car dealership et c
    You don't go to church much, do you?

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    The only folks who earn that label...in my eyes has been defined in other posts in this thread. To me, a person who brags about what they will do in the event of self defense is just as sick as the murderer. Both are premeditated actions. If you have never been put in a situation that intense, you have no idea what you will do...you could curl up in the fetal position and beg for your life. It is not the action so much that bothers me...it is the blow hard,
    I am more bad ass than you mentality. This could make your average person paranoid and quick to pull the trigger. Even in the event of a home invasion and you killed someone legally, who wants the stigma of that? You would still need an attorney, there would be an investigation, and in my case as a nurse and teacher...what would my workplace think if I shot a unarmed kid stealing my TV. I think the folks who brag about dropping a home intruder only see the kill...not the aftermath. This is what I see as disturbing. Do you wait to see if the intruder is armed...or is that too late?
    Again, you are projecting-most gun owners are not trigger happy blow hards. And its not only about how you define gun nuts-there are others who define YOU this way right now, because you own a gun, enjoy shooting it, and belong to a gun club. Think about that-you are a gun nut to them.

    I own guns, and have seen up close what they are capable of-good and bad. I have no desire to harm anyone, I heal people for a living and devoted my life to that years ago. And thats besides the legal nightmare-even if you are justified, you will spend years and all of your money in legal defense. But its not a hard decision for me-if I need to protect my own or a loved ones life I will do just that. And if that ever happens, its wont be a pressing concern what others think-but I believe Im lucky enough to work with people who would understand.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yes, really. Regularly, even.
    That's an incredibly disrespectful thing to do in the lord's house.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    That is precisely why I am against citizen protection. Most people have no idea of what happens to the human body, all on its own, when real violence stairs them in the eye. I was attacked on my front lawn a few years ago by a dolt bicyclist with a stupid Swiss Army knife. The other stupid in the equation, me, thought "who the **** ever got hurt with one of those, you can't even cut yourself" and stood my ground. I happened to have the water hose in my hand and squirted in his eyes as he ran at me. God or good fortune he retreated and sped off on his little bike.

    I was in no shape to stand up. When the smoke cleared I was shaking so bad they called an ambulance. That, is very normal they told me, and actually pretty tame for one in his 60's.

    And oh, you can die by being stabbed with those stupid little toys, the nice victim support cop told me.

    Next time? I run.

    Hm. By citizen protection you mean? Not really a familiar term to me.

    But I'd point out that by spraying him in the eyes you successfully ran him off; I presume he was afraid of what else you might do while he was half-blinded. So you acted effectively.

    Running... well if you're a good runner maybe. I'm not. Not built for it. Nor do too many 60-somethings routinely outrun 20-somethings.

    I tend to be pretty calm when the SHTF. My brain goes into this "I'm too busy to emote right now, gotta deal with this stuff first then I'll emote later" mode and I don't feel much of anything.

    LATER, I get the shakes. But that's later. You can do whatever you want once the threat is over: laugh, cry, throw up, get drunk, doesn't matter as long as you deal when you need to deal. BTDT.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    Banning guns will never happen and it is a waste of time to pursue that mindset. I would never worry about that. A politician will never campaign on gun banning, because they will sure lose. Then, think about the American companies who manufacture guns...guns are a huge part of our economy. Obama has no room to scold anyone since he has been impotent on this issue. He is in a position to make a difference and come up with a solution that satisfies everyone, and he didn't. At this point, he needs to STFU. LOL. He has had more mass shootings and violence under his leadership than any I can remember. Gun sales have soared under him. He let that ship sail..and he failed on public safety.
    Im a realist-when real people really try to take my guns away with through real courts and real laws I take notice. I already live in one of the most anti-gun states in the nation, where you have to be a "somebody" or know someone to get a permit. I see the erosion of my liberties with every new scheme hatched by the left here, from banning superficial cosmetic features that in no way impact a guns operation to ammo no different from the rest except its also used in military rifles.

    Obama isn't only impotent, he's inconsistent-where was he to scold us after those NYPD cops were assassinated? How about when Chris Kyle was murdered? It was crickets-because it wasn't advantageous to his agenda. And then he says these shootings dont happen in other advanced nations when I can name a half dozen off the top of my head. At least we agree he needs to STFU. He's needed to for some time.

    BTW-gun sails have soared under him because Americans wan't their guns and are worried he's going to attempt to ban them. His comments on this latest shooting are only going to increase them further, as did his attempted ammo ban a few months ago. The left is always probing-seeing what they can get away with.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Again, you are projecting-most gun owners are not trigger happy blow hards. And its not only about how you define gun nuts-there are others who define YOU this way right now, because you own a gun, enjoy shooting it, and belong to a gun club. Think about that-you are a gun nut to them.

    I own guns, and have seen up close what they are capable of-good and bad. I have no desire to harm anyone, I heal people for a living and devoted my life to that years ago. And thats besides the legal nightmare-even if you are justified, you will spend years and all of your money in legal defense. But its not a hard decision for me-if I need to protect my own or a loved ones life I will do just that. And if that ever happens, its wont be a pressing concern what others think-but I believe Im lucky enough to work with people who would understand.
    I don't think I am projecting or broad brushing, the folks I know who are gun owners never mention this kind of stuff...maybe they do so in gun threads on forums..LOL. Don't think for one minute you would not be judged for protecting yourself...look what is happening to cops these days. If we can blame victims for their own deaths because they were not carrying...you are not immune from it in the event that you need to use one. I really see victim blaming coming in our future, to those on the far right of this issue. If you are not carrying, you asked for it. Do we really want to go down this road as a civilized Nation?

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    My WWII Vet Father was a member of the NRA as well and ripped his card into pieces and sent it back with a letter. Your narrow mindedness is just as ignorant if you cannot see what they have become. They are keeping the masses riled up...and use every tragic incident as a stage to work up the paranoid with gun grabbing.

    Dear, the anti's use ever such incident as a chance to drum up support for new gun control, so it is only natural that the NRA works to counter their efforts. That's its purpose.

    When someone proposes new gun control that would
    1. Inhibit the criminals and crazies strongly and the law-abiding gun owner but little;
    2. Would actually have a strong positive impact on criminal gun misuse
    3. Doesn't violate the 2A or tar with too broad a brush...

    Then you'll see gun owner support. Hell the NRA supports *some* gun control, including strict enforcement of all existing laws aimed at barring felons from buying them (which the government sadly doesn't enforce very rigorously at all).

    Until then... well, what you said was still very broad-brush and ugly and revealed a hatefulness and bigotry I didn't expect of you. Shame on you.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That's an incredibly disrespectful thing to do in the lord's house.


    Tell it to my pastor. He packs too.

    Along with most of the Deacons and several ushers and probably a few more...

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