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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I have in my collection a real account, published at the time about the gunfight at the OK corral.

    It lasted less than 90 seconds, no one died.
    I read up quite a bit on that, and the history of the town and its inhabitants. One of these days Im taking a road trip out there. Its not too far away.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Yup, so much mythology (mostly from hollywood) surrounding the times. But they were still dangerous and most people followed the law, and yet were armed.
    I guess you didn't click on the link.

    Gun laws were tougher in old Tombstone - latimes

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    For some people, the idea of being suddenly subject to violence is a matter of theory and math.


    To others, it is simply a reality they've experienced and know about first hand. Once you realize it can happen anytime, anywhere, and is no respecter of persons or places, all those theoretical assumptions and stats become less important than what you KNOW can and does happen.


    For me it isn't about theory or odds. I've seen the elephant and while he may be rare, when he does show up he's an SOB.


    That is precisely why I am against citizen protection. Most people have no idea of what happens to the human body, all on its own, when real violence stairs them in the eye. I was attacked on my front lawn a few years ago by a dolt bicyclist with a stupid Swiss Army knife. The other stupid in the equation, me, thought "who the **** ever got hurt with one of those, you can't even cut yourself" and stood my ground. I happened to have the water hose in my hand and squirted in his eyes as he ran at me. God or good fortune he retreated and sped off on his little bike.

    I was in no shape to stand up. When the smoke cleared I was shaking so bad they called an ambulance. That, is very normal they told me, and actually pretty tame for one in his 60's.

    And oh, you can die by being stabbed with those stupid little toys, the nice victim support cop told me.

    Next time? I run.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What exactly is wrong with having a gun just to have it? You know, people buy all sorts of things just to have them and I don't see any one of you giving them grief for it.
    Have it where? Open ended question.
    Locked and secured?
    Used for shooting coyotes and such on your ranch?

    But down south it has gone to open carny, guns in churches, I think you have a gun problem.

    I am going when time permits for my PAL, in Canada need one to purchase a gun or ammo.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Ooooh my, I missed this one. What an ugly thing to say.


    My dear sainted father, WW2 veteran, former Deacon and Church Treasurer, respected member of his community and father of four children none of whom have ever spent a night in jail, was an NRA member and carried a 38 snubnose to church with the approval of the pastor and Deacon board for many years.

    I am also an NRA member and I assure you I have no truck with skinheads or anti-government militia types.

    When we paint with an ugly broad brush, what we most often reveal is our own ignorance and bias you know.
    My WWII Vet Father was a member of the NRA as well and ripped his card into pieces and sent it back with a letter. Your narrow mindedness is just as ignorant if you cannot see what they have become. They are keeping the masses riled up...and use every tragic incident as a stage to work up the paranoid with gun grabbing.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Are you seriously asking me to parse simple words? What's the part you don't understand in "My decision to own a gun affects only me and those who might find themselves at the wrong end of it"?

    You question why of found the simple statement disturbing...anyone who talks about taking the life of another...well..could be taken as disturbing. Is this what you meant?

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I guess you didn't click on the link.

    Gun laws were tougher in old Tombstone - latimes
    I did, what am I missing here?

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    That is precisely why I am against citizen protection. Most people have no idea of what happens to the human body, all on its own, when real violence stairs them in the eye. I was attacked on my front lawn a few years ago by a dolt bicyclist with a stupid Swiss Army knife. The other stupid in the equation, me, thought "who the **** ever got hurt with one of those, you can't even cut yourself" and stood my ground. I happened to have the water hose in my hand and squirted in his eyes as he ran at me. God or good fortune he retreated and sped off on his little bike.

    I was in no shape to stand up. When the smoke cleared I was shaking so bad they called an ambulance. That, is very normal they told me, and actually pretty tame for one in his 60's.

    And oh, you can die by being stabbed with those stupid little toys, the nice victim support cop told me.

    Next time? I run.
    What happens under stress is precisely why a very simply firearm that requires no fine motor skills should be used.

    With blades what most determines how dangerous it is is the blade length. But even a swiss army knife in the right place is deadly. Glad to see you made it through that experience ok.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    My WWII Vet Father was a member of the NRA as well and ripped his card into pieces and sent it back with a letter. Your narrow mindedness is just as ignorant if you cannot see what they have become. They are keeping the masses riled up...and use every tragic incident as a stage to work up the paranoid with gun grabbing.
    One of the first things Obama did after this shooting was complain about guns. Several powerful high ranking leftist congressional reps have said the same.
    If they could ban guns they simply would.
    As it stands-they dont have the political capital and even if they did-the fallout (as in the 94 Clinton ban) would be detrimental to those politicians.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The police and the armed guards were expecting an attack. How often does that happen?
    Fortunately not very often. But I dont really need pools of blood or lack thereof to know my ideas are good ideas. Armed good people stop armed bad people, that is just common sense backed up with reality.

    It was lucky that an Oklahoma Reserve Officer was on the scene and knew exactly what to do. The same happened at Trolley Square Mall in SLC where an off duty officer stopped a shooting spree as well. But that's just having the right person being in the right place at the right time.
    So shouldnt we encourage and enable more "right people"? Instead of disarming every good person and stigmatizing guns like the anti-gunners are doing? They are creating victims when they should really be asking for help from the sheepdogs.

    Columbine had armed guards present and they couldn't prevent a killing spree even after more cops showed up.
    Columbine had an armed guard (not guards) and he was outside of the building as it happened....and good active shooter response didnt even exist back then. It used to be wait until SWAT showed up....today its get your rifle and get the **** in that building ASAP and that means go ALONE if you need to.

    Even then...wouldnt it be advantageous if good people inside that school were armed and protected instead of disarmed and helpless?

    The good guy was pretty shook up over it, too. But the shooter dropped most of his ammo and his gun jammed so it's debatable whether it was the good guys actions that caused the bad guy to run off and kill himself. But still, I'm glad he was there to take him out if he had to.
    I think we all are. And I think we all wish more of these shootings ended up like that instead of ending up like that church, or Columbine, or Newtown. The difference is that a good guy was there with a gun and threw a wrench (if you will) into the sick plans of a sick man.


    Gun control is like taking the boxing gloves away from someone who wants to punch you....now he is just using his fists. Its better to get your own gloves and fight back.
    "Opportunity does not come knocking. It is usually running down the street, you have to chase and tackle it." - Sheriff David Clarke, Milwaukee County.

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