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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

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    Im talking about concealed carry, the type that most people adhere to. Its disadvantageous for numerous reasons to advertise that you are armed.
    And I have stated that I have no problem with a person getting a CCW and doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    How many of these recent shooters were even alive in the 80's? You are complaining about water over the dam. How about we discuss what to do now?
    And while I am all for mental health screenings-they are easy to get around-it boils down to asking people if they plan to (or have) harmed themselves or others. Im constantly amazed at how many do, and tell me so-but I also know there are plenty who know how to get past these screening evals.

    The bottom line is you can't know whats in another persons head.
    As I said - I welcome the support for increased mental health initiatives. I am simply old enough to remember who gutted the mental health system in the first place.
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    If anyone in the thread was talking about OPEN carry, it's news to me.
    My objection is to open carry.

    And there have been so many threads on this subject over the last couple of days that they are all running together in my mind. When you hit 65 that sort of thing happens to you.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You're jumping into the middle of a longer discussion. Obviously in context the "miscomparing" was in response to Turtle, who compared having a fire extinguisher versus a gun in a dang church. It's apples and dump trucks comparison - they are NOTHING alike. Not in the risk of the event they protect against or the risk of the protection itself.

    And I don't really care all that much about your gun carrying history in this context. Obviously if you've been doing it for 30 years, you're probably well trained, competent, responsible, etc. Not everyone is like you. As I've said, I've seen MANY accidental discharges, and it's just luck the only injury was a guy who blew off the back of his own ankle. I accept those risks hunting or shooting targets because loaded guns and a mix of expertise of those handling them are integral to the activities.

    Any idiot with that can read at the first grade level can pass the exam to carry, and for all I know he's carried a gun for a week. If you allow guns into a church, that means you AND those idiots with a week of experience who might show up still drunk from the night before, or are whack jobs, etc. How am I supposed to tell him from you? If I know you, and I'm sitting next to you in church or anywhere else there's probably little worry. But that tells me nothing about some stranger who comes in who I've never met. There's no good reason to trust that a random stranger knows what he's doing, or that his wife's gun in her purse can't be pulled out by her kids while she's taking communion.

    The point is there is no reason for someone worshipping to spend one SECOND worrying about that to prevent something about 15 times less likely than getting struck by lightning, 0.0000001% or so. If I thought I needed protection every day from events of that likelihood, I'd wear a helmet into the dang shower, and nearly all the rest of the time not sitting at my desk. Instead I just wear one while biking on the road....


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    To others, it is simply a reality they've experienced and know about first hand. Once you realize it can happen anytime, anywhere, and is no respecter of persons or places, all those theoretical assumptions and stats become less important than what you KNOW can and does happen.


    For me it isn't about theory or odds. I've seen the elephant and while he may be rare, when he does show up he's an SOB.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Im talking about concealed carry, the type that most people adhere to. Its disadvantageous for numerous reasons to advertise that you are armed.
    Meh I OC and CC with no problems. Anyway both should be legal in the whole USA.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    My objection is to open carry.

    And there have been so many threads on this subject over the last couple of days that they are all running together in my mind. When you hit 65 that sort of thing happens to you.

    Yeah, I'm not there yet but I get what you mean.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    And thats why its known as the sleepy, peaceful west-and not the wild west. Because of all the peace.
    It's called that because of Hollywood.

    Or so I read this morning:

    http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=662305

    http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=113725

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yeah, I'm not there yet but I get what you mean.
    recently I was at lunch with some old teaching buddies and one who has a couple of years on me said something that was a laugh riot but strangely wise at the same time.

    I complained that i hate it when it climb the stairs and get up there and then forget why I did it in the first place and find myself looking around to get my memory jostled... car keys..... wallet ..... pants ????? He said just wait as it gets worse. I asked what he meant and he said wait till you find yourself in the bathroom and you can't remember why you went in there and you can't figure that one out.

    Hopefully that is a decade or more off.... for all of us.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Yup, so much mythology (mostly from hollywood) surrounding the times. But they were still dangerous and most people followed the law, and yet were armed.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Yup, so much mythology (mostly from hollywood) surrounding the times. But they were still dangerous and most people followed the law, and yet were armed.


    I have in my collection a real account, published at the time about the gunfight at the OK corral.

    It lasted less than 90 seconds, no one died.
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