Page 38 of 67 FirstFirst ... 28363738394048 ... LastLast
Results 371 to 380 of 670

Thread: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

  1. #371
    Sage

    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Huntsville, AL (USA)
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:14 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    8,983

    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Incidentally, a lot of people were killed in bars even with that policy in place.
    Likely because they tried to skirt the law/bar policy and got themselves killed in the process. But without stats to back that up, I'll just chalk this one up to "bad people doing bad things and getting their just desserts as a consequence of their poor choice".
    "A fair exchange ain't no robbery." Tupac Shakur w/Digital Underground

  2. #372
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:48 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    80,195

    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    We live in relatively free and open society, there will always be people who get past mental health screens. In school I did a 3 month rotation in mental health and patients on 5150's were released ALL THE TIME, as long as they did not meet the criteria for detainment. These people are out there, and many of these shooters are young men who aren't even part of the mental health system at the time they commit these crimes. Thats not going to change.
    I find it worth noting that several posters in various threads who identify themselves as on the right side of the political continuum have stated they favor increased mental health initiatives. And that is good. But let us not forget the way many states slashed mental health spending in the 90's.

    Here in Michigan we closed 3 out of every 4 mental health hospitals and they all were closed under a Republican Governor . here is the evidence

    Jeff Gerritt: Deinstitutionalizing Michigan's mentally ill has been an underfunded disaster | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

    So some on the right either realize their side erred badly in years past or the words endorsing more mental health programs are simply to deter from guns. I sincerely hope its the former.
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  3. #373
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Between Athens and Jerusalem
    Last Seen
    05-18-16 @ 06:06 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    33,522

    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yessir. I've been a cop, and I'll tell you plainly about half of them are middling-to-crappy gunhandlers and fair-to-mediocre shots.

    OTOH I've also taught defensive handgunning classes to civilians, and in general found them certainly no worse than the average run of police ofcs. Many of them spend more time shooting on the range than the average cop too.
    Here you are with direct personal experience (and mine mirroring it) and yet the ASSUMPTIONS of others will hold more weight to them. They dont want to learn about these issues-they want to emote.

  4. #374
    Global Moderator
    Moderator

    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,416

    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    If you were not referring to using it on someone...what exactly did you mean by that statement?
    Are you seriously asking me to parse simple words? What's the part you don't understand in "My decision to own a gun affects only me and those who might find themselves at the wrong end of it"?

  5. #375
    Global Moderator
    The Hammer of Chaos
    Goshin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Dixie
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:30 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    41,980

    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    The NRA is the most vile and disgusting organization in this country. Who in the hell wants to carry a gun to worship in church and how could anyone suggest that. They use every tragic event to promote their insane ideology. This group appeals to militia idiots and skin heads.


    Ooooh my, I missed this one. What an ugly thing to say.


    My dear sainted father, WW2 veteran, former Deacon and Church Treasurer, respected member of his community and father of four children none of whom have ever spent a night in jail, was an NRA member and carried a 38 snubnose to church with the approval of the pastor and Deacon board for many years.

    I am also an NRA member and I assure you I have no truck with skinheads or anti-government militia types.

    When we paint with an ugly broad brush, what we most often reveal is our own ignorance and bias you know.

    Fiddling While Rome Burns
    ISIS: Carthago Delenda Est
    "I used to roll the dice; see the fear in my enemies' eyes... listen as the crowd would sing, 'now the old king is dead, Long Live the King.'.."

  6. #376
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Between Athens and Jerusalem
    Last Seen
    05-18-16 @ 06:06 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    33,522

    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I find it worth noting that several posters in various threads who identify themselves as on the right side of the political continuum have stated they favor increased mental health initiatives. And that is good. But let us not forget the way many states slashed mental health spending in the 90's.

    Here in Michigan we closed 3 out of every 4 mental health hospitals and they all were closed under a Republican Governor . here is the evidence

    Jeff Gerritt: Deinstitutionalizing Michigan's mentally ill has been an underfunded disaster | Detroit Free Press | freep.com
    How many of these recent shooters were even alive in the 80's? You are complaining about water over the dam. How about we discuss what to do now?
    And while I am all for mental health screenings-they are easy to get around-it boils down to asking people if they plan to (or have) harmed themselves or others. Im constantly amazed at how many do, and tell me so-but I also know there are plenty who know how to get past these screening evals.

    The bottom line is you can't know whats in another persons head.

  7. #377
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Between Athens and Jerusalem
    Last Seen
    05-18-16 @ 06:06 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    33,522

    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How does being against open carry deprive anyone of the right to be armed and protect themselves?
    Im talking about concealed carry, the type that most people adhere to. Its disadvantageous for numerous reasons to advertise that you are armed.

  8. #378
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Between Athens and Jerusalem
    Last Seen
    05-18-16 @ 06:06 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    33,522

    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I don't think so. Go back and research it. Even the Old West had rules in place at the time that required people to hand over their guns in certain situations, i.e., when entering a bar. Why did they do it? To reduce the level of gun violence and, thus, prevent people who would use guns irresponsibly from acting irresponsibly.
    And thats why its known as the sleepy, peaceful west-and not the wild west. Because of all the peace.

  9. #379
    Global Moderator
    The Hammer of Chaos
    Goshin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Dixie
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:30 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    41,980

    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    shoulda coulda woulda ..... right.

    How does being against open carry deprive anyone of the right to be armed and protect themselves?


    If anyone in the thread was talking about OPEN carry, it's news to me.

    Fiddling While Rome Burns
    ISIS: Carthago Delenda Est
    "I used to roll the dice; see the fear in my enemies' eyes... listen as the crowd would sing, 'now the old king is dead, Long Live the King.'.."

  10. #380
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Between Athens and Jerusalem
    Last Seen
    05-18-16 @ 06:06 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    33,522

    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Likely because they tried to skirt the law/bar policy and got themselves killed in the process. But without stats to back that up, I'll just chalk this one up to "bad people doing bad things and getting their just desserts as a consequence of their poor choice".
    Its almost like criminals and the insane dont follow laws.

Page 38 of 67 FirstFirst ... 28363738394048 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •