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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Oh dear. I guess I am a psychopath.


    I carry in church, where it is permitted... and frankly whether it is permitted is a factor in whether I attend that church.


    (Protip: I'm not a psychopath. I am however aware that churches are not protected by some mystic dome of peace that prevents bad people from targeting them... and just as I am not interested in being at the mercy of thugs and loonies when shopping at Walmart, ditto at church. See Luke 22:36.)
    Dome of peace.

    I wonder if that bowl-cut loser in Charleston didn't get the memo.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

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    Yes, no doubt everyone else has a Rottweiler just like you. Everyone is just like you.
    When you have substantial numbers of the population needing to carry weapons in Church, your society has problems, and it just ain’t guns.
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    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    No, but you are a trained professional (cop, I think I saw you post) and it is natural for a cop to have a protection mindset...cops are never off duty nor do they retire. LOL. Can't really compare to your average Joe or gun nut.
    No doubt Goshin can shoot but so can I. I regularly out shoot my LEO friends.

    Why should my safety be compromised?

    Could someone else be harmed in me defending myself? Yes. Same for cops.

    Is that even more rare than the odds of needing to defend myself? Yes.

    The fact is in over 90% of cases just showing a gun will end the attack and in a mass shooting-lets just say there are bigger risks, like the guy walking around shooting people in the face.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I take the context to be simply that Jesus had the ability to condemn violence but also understand that it could be necessary to defend life.
    Yes, but you have to understand that said defensive posture was for a specific purpose: defense against persecution!

    But I digress because I really don't want to hijack the thread and turn the discussion into a religious tit-for-tat. If you want to have that discussion, might I suggest you start a separate thread and invite me to it and then we can have that discussion.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    When you have substantial numbers of the population needing to carry weapons in Church, your society has problems, and it just ain’t guns.
    Do you not believe our society has problems? As a lefty, I wouldn't think it would be hard for you to think of some.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Ex-cop. Been Ex for a long time.

    My Dad was Church Treasurer. He was never in LE, though he was a WW2 vet. He carried a .38 snubnose to church, with the knowledge and consent of the pastor and Deacon board. So did some of the ushers. This was back when I was a kid, before easy CCW was even widely available in my state.

    And please do not use the term gun nut. It is offensive. Most gun owners are not mentally ill.
    Many hard line, gun owners are offensive as well....I think I clearly defined my definition of a gun nut. If it doesn't apply to you, then don't take offense.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    When you have substantial numbers of the population needing to carry weapons in Church, your society has problems, and it just ain’t guns.
    Well, because then all you've done is create this national state of paranoia. EVERYONE'S carrying a gun, but you don't know who. And so the moment someone takes a shot EVERYONE draws their weapon ready to "bust a cap" in somebody's ass. Do we really want to be that nation?

    Put another way: If you wanted to create a military state, well, there you'd have it. Only instead of it being controlled by law, you'd eventually get anarchy! Why? Because EVERYONE would feel falsely empowered to do whatever they wanted because they have a gun and, as such, they'd view themselves as being quicker on the draw, possessing more bullets than the next guy's gun, or his weapon is more lethal than his opponents. So much can AND WILL go wrong when you start arming the masses most of whom WILL use guns irresponsibly.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Let's put both Bible versus into perspective.

    In Matthew 26:52, Christ was essentially saying that anyone who takes up a weapon for vengeance will eventually die from such a hate-filled act. Or in short, "He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword."

    In Luke 22:36, Christ was instructing his disciples to prepare themselves for the eventual persecution they would soon come to face. And thus, he gave them permission to buy weapons (swords) to defend themselves against the coming aggression IF they chose to do so. And as you know, none did.

    LaMidRighter,

    I understand what you're trying to do and can certainly empathize with your moral struggle on self defense (see his post #301), but what reference to these Bible verses goes to once again confirm is that man will use specific passages of scripture to suit their own purposes. Unless and until you place such verses in their proper context, you risk leading man down a very dark path.

    My advice to you: Guard against false witness, my friend.

    We'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't see Christianity as teaching total-non-violence at all, nor do most denominations. Not really the right venue for that discussion in detail though, so...




    EDIT: Ask yourself, were the 9 victims at the AME church being persecuted for their religious belief? If your answer is NO (and if you're honest about why Dylann Roof carried out this terrible, horrific, inexcusable act then the only conclusion you can reach is NO), then it wouldn't have made sense for these church members to conceal carry in a place of worship for any reason whatsoever.


    It ALWAYS makes sense to be armed everytime you go out your front door.


    Seriously. We had a serial killer on my rural road a few years back. Among his first victims were people I know, old friends of my father's. They were out in the yard, unarmed... he stopped and asked about buying hay bales. During the discussion he drew and killed them.

    Outlier? Black Swan?

    Maybe. When it happens a couple miles up the road to someone you KNOW, you stop giving a damn whether it's a black swan or a purple swan or an outlier or call-it-what-you-will. THEN it becomes ****-that-happened-where-I-live-to-People-I-Know and it's a different ballgame folks.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Well, because then all you've done is create this national state of paranoia. EVERYONE'S carrying a gun, but you don't know who. And so the moment someone takes a shot EVERYONE draws their weapon ready to "bust a cap" in somebody's ass. Do we really want to be that nation?
    I see that is the way the US has been going for years.
    It appears that the NRA, weak politicians, will not take the necessary actions needed and wanted by the vast majority of Americans.
    Obama gets slammed talking about anything, really slammed when he spoke on mass murders and gun violence.
    And that point ( lack of political leadership) illustrates another issue the US has.
    I live in Canada; guns are not an issue here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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