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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    I know Ted, let's just drop them on the church steps...much better solution. You are cracking me up.
    Non-responsive try again. so a guy comes to your church and the metal detector says he has a gun
    and you tell him to go home

    if he does-he was not going to be a problem to start with

    if he is a problem, you are dead and so are many others in the church

    good thinking there
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So you own guns and belong to a gun club.

    You do realize that based on this alone many leftists already consider you a "gun nut".
    I don't believe her claim. Ben and Jerry used to host seminars where they told they leftwing audiences to always preface a call to a radio station talk show or a letter to a newspaper with

    "I voted for Bush BUT"

    when you heard the blather those seminar callers would spew, you knew in a NY second that the caller never voted for Bush. and I have been involved in gun sports and gun rights almost all my life and constantly since I was 15 and an aspiring Olympic shotgun athlete, and her comments are not consistent with gun ownership.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

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    I don't believe her claim.
    Beliefs are funny like that. If it threatens to upset your own self imposed belief system - you can not believe anything you don't feel comfortable with.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    NO. We all have feelings. We all have emotions. We all use data and facts and experience to form our opinions. Those on the right are in no way different or special or exempt in this regard. So knock off with the right wing crap about deciding things with emotions. It is the height of conceit as it is simultaneously intended to both slap your perceived ideological enemy in the face and pat yourself on the back at the same time.
    You said you dont care, you dont want a society with more guns. This suggests you prefer your emotions to reality.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No. We see things like this happen even in places where it is legal to carry. People still have the right to choose whether they carry a gun or not. Further, as pro-2A people constantly say, gun laws won't stop criminals from getting guns. No gun-free zones won't stop psychopaths from doing these kinds of things... and in these cases is it always SOLELY the fault of the psychopath. It is never the fault of the individual who choose to not have a weapon. And yes, the moron from the NRA was a moron. His timing was idiotic and thoughtless, and his implied blaming the victim was plain stupid.

    If we want to reduce gun violence, we need to make mental health services more available. Pretty much every one of these killers had some significant mental health issues.
    Couldn't agree more, mental health funding has been steadily gutted and we are seeing some negative effects from those decisions, it's a bi-partisan mistake as it took congressional budgeting with presidential approval and this has been generations in the making. Along with the decreases in funding we also took a lot of power away from the courts and others to address these issues more readily and of course the stigma of being treated for mental illness. Those three things need to be fixed and as soon as possible.

    Unfortunately, it may be too early to determine if this kid is mentally ill versus so full of hatred that he acted on it IMO. I guess you could say that irrational hatred in and of itself was a form of mental illness though.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and I have been involved in gun sports and gun rights almost all my life and constantly since I was 15 and an aspiring Olympic shotgun athlete, and her comments are not consistent with gun ownership.
    They're perfectly consistent with my beliefs, and I'm a gun owner and like you grew up with guns in my hand. Believe it or not, the gun owning community doesn't all march to the exact same drummer.

    It's very strange that you cannot even accept that others have different opinions than your own. It's a kind of irrationality or intellectual dishonesty that is hard to grasp.

    You did it with guns in churches, basically discounted the very idea that allowing concealed carry MATTERS to non-gun toters. Of course it matters. My wife has shot a shotgun maybe 3 times. That's her entire experience with firearms. She's incredibly uncomfortable around them and doesn't like being in the same room with armed individuals. Rational or not, agree or not, that just IS how she feels. I'm not scared of guns, but being around armed individuals simply does change the dynamic in a room or a setting, for me. It introduces a kind of tension that I don't really worry about but don't see any reason to tolerate unless there's a reason guns are needed in that setting for protection. I have to worry about that person with a gun, is it pointed safely, does he know how to use it, is he sober, is he sane, etc.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    They're perfectly consistent with my beliefs, and I'm a gun owner and like you grew up with guns in my hand. Believe it or not, the gun owning community doesn't all march to the exact same drummer.

    It's very strange that you cannot even accept that others have different opinions than your own. It's a kind of irrationality or intellectual dishonesty that is hard to grasp.

    You did it with guns in churches, basically discounted the very idea that allowing concealed carry MATTERS to non-gun toters. Of course it matters. My wife has shot a shotgun maybe 3 times. That's her entire experience with firearms. She's incredibly uncomfortable around them and doesn't like being in the same room with armed individuals. Rational or not, agree or not, that just IS how she feels. I'm not scared of guns, but being around armed individuals simply does change the dynamic in a room or a setting, for me. It introduces a kind of tension that I don't really worry about but don't see any reason to tolerate unless there's a reason guns are needed in that setting for protection. I have to worry about that person with a gun, is it pointed safely, does he know how to use it, is he sober, is he sane, etc.
    oh there are gun owners who don't understand what is going on with the gun ban movement.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You said you dont care, you dont want a society with more guns. This suggests you prefer your emotions to reality.
    No it is reality that I do not want an increasingly gun centric society. And that involves a hell of a lot more than just counting numbers of guns.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    oh there are gun owners who don't understand what is going on with the gun ban movement.
    translation: they are not on the far right extreme fringe of the gun issue.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    oh there are gun owners who don't understand what is going on with the gun ban movement.
    Ya call that an answer?
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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