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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

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    Send that memo to the psycho killers. They dont appear to have received it.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    I have no issue with someone wanting to carry in a place of worship. I see no reason for anyone to be prevented from doing so. I also see no reason to condemn anyone for choosing not to.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    People go to a church to learn about the teachings of Jesus Christ and this guy wants eveyone to be carrying like they are going to war.

    It's painful and very disgusting to see what the NRA of today has turned into when you compare it to the NRA of 40-50 years ago. Now they are nothing but a lobby for the gun manufacturers. They don't give a **** about anything, or anyone else.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    The gun free zone is irrelevant. I attend a church. Concealed carry is allowed here. I know the people I am with. I know them well. Not one person in there carries a gun just because it is legal. There is 0 reason to believe that even if they could have been allowed to carry anyone would have or that it would have mattered. It could have made it worse.

    What ifs are pointless. Noone knows which is my point that this being a gun free zone is irrelevant.

    What we do know is the people who were attacked and the laws in SC are not to blame. Saying this senator is even partly to blame because he failed to enact laws to allow people to carry guns in churches is a stupid and ignorant attempt to politicize this incident. This NRA exec needs to be bitch slapped hard enough to continually remind him to not exploit tragic deaths for political gain.

    And I am not anti gun. I dont think we really need more gun control. I dont think more gun control would have helped either. All gun control and anti gun control arguments are irrelevant to this incident. This is not about gun control anymore than it is about gay marriage, illegal aliens, the world series, or low calorie brownies.
    We'll never know who might have been in the habit of carrying a gun who would have had one on. But we know that it wasn't allowed. And we know that no one had one except the bad guy. You see, in reality, laws just make it easier to arrest the bad guy. They don't stop crime at all.

    As far as some bitch-slapping ' needed, I agree. It could start with our CIC.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Cotton might be "insensitive" and a "monster," but he's got a point: Another mass shooting in a "gun free zone."
    And to take this to its eventual conclusion - do people really want to live in society where nearly everyone is armed in all sorts of places doing all sorts of things all the time? Is that progress or regression back to the wilds of some communities in the 1800's ..... at least in myth or fiction of the old west?
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And if it were legal, it is still the choice of the churchgoers to carry or not.
    True, but if things go south don't blame the gun and the larger society and say that we should all be lambs to be led to slaughter while "forgiving" the wolf. Personally, I'll leave the forgiveness part to God and Jesus.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Your point really isn't relevant and still smells of blaming the victims.
    Relevancy and blame are separate issues. I don't see pointing out a logical truth as laying blame. On the other hand, being alive instead of dead is relevant even if it's just based on speculation.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    People go to a church to learn about the teachings of Jesus Christ and this guy wants eveyone to be carrying like they are going to war.

    It's painful and very disgusting to see what the NRA of today has turned into when you compare it to the NRA of 40-50 years ago. Now they are nothing but a lobby for the gun manufacturers. They don't give a **** about anything, or anyone else.
    Excellent point. Much has been written clearly documenting how the NRA became a right wing organization changing its position on many things and leaving all common sense behind over the last few decades.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And to take this to its eventual conclusion - do people really want to live in society where nearly everyone is armed in all sorts of places doing all sorts of things all the time? Is that progress or regression back to the wilds of some communities in the 1800's ..... at least in myth or fiction of the old west?
    Short answer? No. I don't think anyone wants to live in an uncivil society where they feel a need to be armed. They also probably wish we didn't need firemen and emergency rooms and all the other things we hope we'll never use. But we should keep in perspective that, even as open carry and castle doctrine laws have proliferated, violent crime, including homicide, has been trending down. While these mass shooting are still relatively rare, a common thread in many of them is that the perpetrator was "troubled" or suffered some sort of mental illness. That's where we should be focusing our efforts.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And to take this to its eventual conclusion - do people really want to live in society where nearly everyone is armed in all sorts of places doing all sorts of things all the time? Is that progress or regression back to the wilds of some communities in the 1800's ..... at least in myth or fiction of the old west?
    This begs the question of whether our society is becoming so unsafe that people who don’t ordinarily carry are considering doing so, even in church. Talking about this is a reaction rather than an action.

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