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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

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    And yet mt point stands.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Well, I think we all know who is going to be on the next cover of Rolling Stones magazine!
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    If it is true that the parents of the shooter bought this kid the gun he used and gave it to him for a birthday present, then they share some blame in my book. Perhaps what they did wasn't criminal, but it is easily one of the stupidest things anyone has done in a long, long time. But other than that, yes, the one responsible here is the shooter.
    Eh, I don't necessarily agree unless they had some inkling that he might do something like this. If not, they were just buying their kid a gift that was both legal and that they thought he'd like.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Yes, the blame for the shooting is solely the responsibility of the shooter, but people should take responsibility for their personal welfare, including defending their lives and those in their charge.
    And whether they do or not is irrelevant to who's fault it is if they are harmed, especially if there is no reasonable expectation of being harmed.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Eh, I don't necessarily agree unless they had some inkling that he might do something like this. If not, they were just buying their kid a gift that was both legal and that they thought he'd like.
    A CNN article reported that the grandfather said the parents just gave him birthday money and he bought the gun on his own. But his uncle told the press that his dad gave it to him. But I haven't seen any confirmation by the police on either of those claims.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Emanuel A.M.E. Church did not allow guns. We can all see how that turned out.
    And if it were legal, it is still the choice of the churchgoers to carry or not. Your point really isn't relevant and still smells of blaming the victims.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that seems to be a bit of hyperbole. the killer is responsible but disarmed victims are easier to kill. we saw lots of lefties blame Adam Lanza's mom for the sandy hook murders as well.

    Pond scum-LOL. the fact is, people who don't like the NRA are going to pretend what this guy said was horrible, those who find victim disarmament zones to be silly are going to note that this is another case where the body count was higher than it should have been if someone had been able to legally carry
    No. We see things like this happen even in places where it is legal to carry. People still have the right to choose whether they carry a gun or not. Further, as pro-2A people constantly say, gun laws won't stop criminals from getting guns. No gun-free zones won't stop psychopaths from doing these kinds of things... and in these cases is it always SOLELY the fault of the psychopath. It is never the fault of the individual who choose to not have a weapon. And yes, the moron from the NRA was a moron. His timing was idiotic and thoughtless, and his implied blaming the victim was plain stupid.

    If we want to reduce gun violence, we need to make mental health services more available. Pretty much every one of these killers had some significant mental health issues.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    not playing that game Gina. The killer was the cause of the deaths. Obama blaming our gun rights as a response was IMHO worse than the NRA guy blaming the pastor for creating a gun free zone. I'd be curious to know if any of those killed would have carried if the pastor had allowed it. If not, the entire argument is moot and stupid and the NRA guy would have no merit to his argument as to this massacre
    I would say that since what COULD have happened is nothing but speculation with far too many variables to have any reasonable response, both Obama's and the NRA guy's comments were equally stupid.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Not everyone will have the optimum treatments, and even if they did-some will still occasionally do things like this. Its not common, but then again neither are these shootings.
    And just as pro-2A people would say that allowing more access for those who carry guns could reduce incidents like this, having more access to mental health services could also reduce incidents like this. Nothing is going to absolutely prevent them.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    gee that is just plain ignorant. what about it being a holy place makes it immune to attacks. this is the second mass shooting in a church in recent memory. don't you get it that people who want to kill others are going to pick areas that cause the most shock and allow the shooter the best chance of killing lots of people? Common sense tells me that if it was "God's house" he would strike down a killer before the killer could kill. but that didn't happen either did it? I am not going to debate the wisdom of religion but pretending assholes who want to kill pay any attention to "God" or other such things is just plain STUPID
    If the church is worried about crazies with guns storming in, hire an armed guard to stand outside. If you lack the common sense to know that it's totally inappropriate to bring a gun to church, I can't help you.

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