It was lucky that an Oklahoma Reserve Officer was on the scene and knew exactly what to do. The same happened at Trolley Square Mall in SLC where an off duty officer stopped a shooting spree as well. But that's just having the right person being in the right place at the right time. Columbine had armed guards present and they couldn't prevent a killing spree even after more cops showed up.Another one...in Oklahoma....another muslim POS was beheading people at a business and one of the managers shot the guy before he could kill anyone else.
The good guy was pretty shook up over it, too. But the shooter dropped most of his ammo and his gun jammed so it's debatable whether it was the good guys actions that caused the bad guy to run off and kill himself. But still, I'm glad he was there to take him out if he had to.Oregon mall shooting....good guy didnt even have to fire a shot...merely his presence caused the shooter to kill himself instead of more innocent people.
But in part because I've been around guns my whole life, I also do not pretend that they don't pose a risk. I've seen a guy in a dove field blow off the back off his ankle when he dropped his shotgun, I've been in a duck blind where the guy sitting next to me blew a hole in the blind across the guy on the end's leg, my brother took an "unloaded" .44 mag, pointed it at the head of our dog, moved it away at the last second, and blew a hole in the wall, three other times hunting I've seen people accidentally discharge their weapon, thankfully into the air. And that doesn't count the other times shooting skeet or trap when a gun accidentally discharged pointing down range - add 3 or 4 more.
So unless there is a reason for you to have a gun on your hip in my house, I don't want to have to worry one second whether you're an idiot or will do an idiot thing with that weapon in my house.
I think the problem is if you're being truthful, you've been trained to handle a firearm. Great, I admire that - seriously. But any yahoo who can print his name, and read it back, can get a carry permit, so I actually do not assume that people carrying firearms do know what they're doing. And I don't want to have to worry about those idiots in church of all places.
????its people using guns to fire bullets into other people or themselves. most killings are suicides btw or criminals killing criminals
See above. I have five guns within 20 feet of me as I type this.the fact is-you are afraid of guns-dont own one-unlike you, I don't tell you that you have to conform to my values. I will keep my guns but I won't force you to own one.
And if you carry a gun into my church, you're demanding that I in many ways conform to your values.
Thats not sunshine and rainbows... It's hard freakin work.
OK, I guess, but so what?you are unaware of the fact that years ago-in some Eastern states, the only way you could own a pistol and take it out of your house was to have such a permit
It was sarcasm. I don't believe your story that almost everyone in any area had carry permits or that it was why some area was safe from violent crime for 30 years. Criminals are typically very stupid people, as you know. That they knew this and accounted for it defies logic.and when you call such people "tin foil wearers" you prove what I have said about gun restrictionists or gun haters
Holy strawman Batman!! It's late and this discussion is deteriorating. I'll pass further comment tonight.its not crime you despise nor criminals, its people who own guns and don't tend to vote the same way you do