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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Mr. Cotton has made the assumption that someone would have.

    EDITED for clarity.
    and until we find out (we might never) then his comment is speculative at best

    NOW if the family member of one of the victims said their loved one wanted to carry but Pastor whatever said no, then the NRA guy's comment might have some merit. right now, its speculative BS\

    as is the case of all the gun banners who were whining about gun laws =NOTHING proposed would have stopped this shooting
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    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Then how do you explain all the mass murders that weren't in gun free zones? That didn't seem to stop the bad guys either.

    “.....no more than one quarter of the shootings occurred in public spaces that were so-called ‘gun-free zones.”

    The Gun-Free Zone Myth: No relationship between Gun-Free Zones and Mass Shootings | Armed With Reason
    Sometimes it works (lanza), sometimes it does not. There are no slam dunks here-nothing is certain.

    I wish we lived in a world where these things were certain to be stopped-we dont.

    So I will support what does the best to mitigate such things.

    That starts with guns on scene long before the police.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you lose all credibility when you start calling someone who carries Paranoid and given the fact this is not the first time a church has been attacked, your argument is both silly and contrary to reality.
    There is no rational reason to arm yourself in church. The odds of it keeping you safe are for all practical purposes ZERO. You took thousands of times greater risk driving to the church. If you want to keep yourself safe that day, wear your seatbelt, drive the speed limit, don't run red lights or talk/text on your cell phone while driving. That will do FAR more than arming 55 million gatherings at churches per year.

    I suspect-given your other posts, that you don't support anyone but cops carrying handguns in public
    We're talking about church.

    I'm sure there are times and places where carrying a concealed handgun is a reasonably good idea. I've never encountered one in my life, but I live in a safe area and walk routinely late at night without worry. Not everyone is so lucky. I won't make broad statements on the subject.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I found more of his statement here:

    Charleston shootings: NRA blames victims as reactions echo Newtown | US news | The Guardian


    That makes it more than speculative.

    I take issue with the one comment on its own. "Might" is not a fair comment when speaking of another person's responsibility in the deaths of others in which he did not pull the trigger himself.
    There was an evil man there with a gun, killing innocents. The biggest factor in stopping these events is a good guy with a gun as soon as possible (it usually takes violence to stop violent events, and cops are minutes away when seconds count), and the pastor (ALSO a politician) opposed such measures.

    Sometimes, the truth isn't pretty, this is one of those cases.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Might? With the least likely possibility. I think far fetched is not strong enough a term. Do you agree the that Cotton put the blame squarely on the pastor, without equivocation?
    Do you think he's not holding the shooter ultimately responsible?

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Why would anyone think it's ok to bring a gun to church??
    Send that memo to the psycho killers. They dont appear to have received it.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    He means that innocents didn't have to die, not that the shooter wasn't to blame.

    Context matters, may I ask from what source you first heard about Cottons comments?

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I agree with you, to me it would be defiling a holy place. I also admire that you don't carry while attending services while supporting the 2nd amendment, LMR.

    I cannot find words to describe my revulsion at his act especially under those circumstances. Revulsion isn't even a visceral enough word.
    I don't mind others being armed so much as it isn't something I agree with for my own behavior, I don't personally think it is right under normal circumstances. If things deteriorate God forbid I may rethink that because I also feel as a Catholic it is my duty to protect innocent life. We are most definitely in some conflicting times, that said, my heart and prayers absolutely go out to the victims and their loved ones.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I agree with you, to me it would be defiling a holy place. I also admire that you don't carry while attending services while supporting the 2nd amendment, LMR.

    I cannot find words to describe my revulsion at his act especially under those circumstances. Revulsion isn't even a visceral enough word.
    So a racist mass murderer isn't going to bring a gun because its a holy place?

    Bad things happen everywhere. Most of the time you dont hear about it.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    There was an evil man there with a gun, killing innocents. The biggest factor in stopping these events is a good guy with a gun as soon as possible (it usually takes violence to stop violent events, and cops are minutes away when seconds count), and the pastor (ALSO a politician) opposed such measures.

    Sometimes, the truth isn't pretty, this is one of those cases.
    No, it's only the biggest factor when all else fails.

    The victims, and this kid were failed by broken education, broken families, societal apathy, profit only based pharmaceuticals, desensitization to violence, media hyperbole and sensationalism that makes mundane events into vehicles of fear to advance ideas that can't otherwise succeed.

    The biggest factor is that we are a fractured, dysfunctional, disenfranchised, population bled dry of wealth and opportunity.

    Not everything has to have a profit motive.
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