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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    That is incorrect:
    Then you are forcing your belief system on someone who was murdered.
    While also blaming him for the other eight deaths as the NRA board member did.

    Same behavior as with Sandy Hook--and not a GOP word to be heard but blame the dead for a no-gun zone.
    You people won't be happy until everyone is carrying, open or concealed.

    Then we'll have plenty of shoot-outs every day, such as with the bikers in Texas.

    And why don't athletic arenas in the South allow concealed carry ?
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    The NRA guy should do the same thing anti-gun people should do at a time like this. Enjoy a nice tall glass of shut the **** up.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    If the good reverend had given his consent to members to carry concealed weopons, it's possible someone would have been armed other the Mr. Roof. Not defending the NRA board member personally, just his logic, which is sound. The fact that he's right and touched a nerve is why his comments are getting such a visceral reaction from the anti-gun crowd. They just can't acknowledge that people who have the ability to defend themselves stand a better chance of not getting shot than those who don't. Seems like common sense, but then maybe I expect too much from liberals.
    The NRA board member doesn't seem to understand the notion of responsibility. The blame on this matter is solely on the shooter. The NRA Board member is just as ignorant and void of logic as those who would blame guns and gun laws for what happened. He's wrong and not only doesn't seem to understand the concept of responsibility, but would undoubtedly show his hypocrisy if the opposing argument was presented. This would seem to be common sense, but maybe I expect too much from conservatives.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The NRA guy should do the same thing anti-gun people should do at a time like this. Enjoy a nice tall glass of shut the **** up.
    Neither side should use this for politics. 9 innocent people lost their lives in a vile and vicious attack by a deranged little piece of crap looking to cause racial violence. The pastor here is not to blame, the congregation certainly not, not society, and not the gun. Rather, the blame lies solely on one sick little **** and anyone who knew what he was planning and remained silent.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    The NRA is the most vile and disgusting organization in this country. Who in the hell wants to carry a gun to worship in church and how could anyone suggest that. They use every tragic event to promote their insane ideology. This group appeals to militia idiots and skin heads.
    The NRA stands in opposition to jackasses, morons, and douchebags that seize upon every possible opportunity to attempt to force new legislation and laws in the furtherance of their agenda. They protect the Constitutional freedoms of millions of Americans. If there wasnt the steady drumbeat of antigun rhetoric, the NRA would be relatively silent while promoting gun safety course and responsible gun ownership. When ****heads legislatively attack, they respond.

    This isnt the time for the NRA rep to have that discussion and he damn sure shouldnt have brought the concept of blame or responsibility into this. There is only one person responsible for this and he is currently under arrest.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Neither side should use this for politics. 9 innocent people lost their lives in a vile and vicious attack by a deranged little piece of crap looking to cause racial violence. The pastor here is not to blame, the congregation certainly not, not society, and not the gun. Rather, the blame lies solely on one sick little **** and anyone who knew what he was planning and remained silent.
    I completely agree.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    If the good reverend had given his consent to members to carry concealed weopons, it's possible someone would have been armed other the Mr. Roof. Not defending the NRA board member personally, just his logic, which is sound. The fact that he's right and touched a nerve is why his comments are getting such a visceral reaction from the anti-gun crowd. They just can't acknowledge that people who have the ability to defend themselves stand a better chance of not getting shot than those who don't. Seems like common sense, but then maybe I expect too much from liberals.
    What if some of the victims were armed but couldn't respond quick enough? What if the killer took the victims gun after he ran out of bullets and used it to kill more victims? What if the shooter didn't have access to a gun? We could do 'what if's all day long.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The NRA board member doesn't seem to understand the notion of responsibility. The blame on this matter is solely on the shooter. The NRA Board member is just as ignorant and void of logic as those who would blame guns and gun laws for what happened. He's wrong and not only doesn't seem to understand the concept of responsibility, but would undoubtedly show his hypocrisy if the opposing argument was presented. This would seem to be common sense, but maybe I expect too much from conservatives.
    Anyone with prior knowledge of the shooter's intent that didn't come forward should be charged as an accomplice. This was a disgusting act portrayed by a complete coward. These folks were good church going people who accepted all who came, the shooter exploited that, and unfortunately that was a play that worked for the dirtbag. I am not going to mince words, hell will be very eventful for the POS.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Cotton might be "insensitive" and a "monster," but he's got a point: Another mass shooting in a "gun free zone."
    Gun free zones cannot exist without enforcement, an expensive and manpower intensive undertaking. A sign/law alone stops nothing as we see many no dumping signs which are placed in areas frequently used as dumps. Criminals, especially of the suicidal and mentally challenged variety, do not obey laws (or signs) and could care less how many of them that they may be violating. Should we replace the TSA agents with "no terrorist activity zone" signs and see if that works as well?

    The point, made by most, is that the criminal alone is responsible for their criminal acts. I doubt whether any of the SC church victims would have been armed even if the law had allowed for it. To assert that gun free zone laws/signs cause (attract?) crime is just as silly as saying that no dumping signs cause (attract?) roadside dumping.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Just scanning the forum, we have tons of threads on this issue. Here's what happened:

    Some hateful asshole decided to go into a church and kill 9 people in the name of racism.

    Here is who's fault it is NOT:
    1) Whites
    2) Blacks
    3) People who support gun rights
    4) People who do not support gun rights
    5) The NRA
    6) The Brady Campaign
    7) Guns
    8) Bullets
    9) Obama
    10) Bush
    11) The Pastor
    12) The parents of the shooter
    13) Muslims
    14) Jews
    15) The French
    16) Anyone other than the shooter

    And here who is responsible for the killings:

    1) The shooter

    Let's all show some logic and common sense and NOT hypocrisy and place the blame where it belongs. No one forced him to kill those people and ease of access, if that is what was there, STILL does not place blame anywhere other than with the shooter.
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