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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Or,

    3) Sometimes bad things just happen and you cannot prevent every horrible thing that could happen from happening. You could make it legal to carry a gun into every church in American, but legal or not, no one other than a psychopath is going to carry a gun into the a house of God.
    No that is a silly position I find to have no merit. lots of good people carry guns into churches. We know of a case where someone doing that stopped many innocents from being killed. Two Roman Catholic Priests were at the range/gun store where my family practices-they were taking CCW classes and they said they certainly were in support of parishioners packing. this was before this shooting BTW

    I find it offensive that you claim that anyone who carries a gun legally in a church is a psychopath

    that is really really stupid
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that seems to be a bit of hyperbole. the killer is responsible but disarmed victims are easier to kill. we saw lots of lefties blame Adam Lanza's mom for the sandy hook murders as well.

    Pond scum-LOL. the fact is, people who don't like the NRA are going to pretend what this guy said was horrible, those who find victim disarmament zones to be silly are going to note that this is another case where the body count was higher than it should have been if someone had been able to legally carry
    I don't think it was horrible, but the NRA should be more sensitive. Do they have to be? Hell no. Should they be? Damn right.

    They should just keep doing what they should and do do. That is, they should always advocate for more freedom in regards to the 2A. If a mass shooting like this occurs, they shouldn't be getting into this the way they did it. Just keep towing the line they have, don't get caught in distractions that can lose you members and reputation.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that seems to be a bit of hyperbole. the killer is responsible but disarmed victims are easier to kill. we saw lots of lefties blame Adam Lanza's mom for the sandy hook murders as well.

    Pond scum-LOL. the fact is, people who don't like the NRA are going to pretend what this guy said was horrible, those who find victim disarmament zones to be silly are going to note that this is another case where the body count was higher than it should have been if someone had been able to legally carry
    At least I am consistent in my views of people who use an event like this to push for their anti or pro gun platform. Are you consistent? I say the same about those morons on the other side of the gun debate who attempt to politicize an event such as this even before the families have a chance to bury their dead. It's disgusting and this idiot is scum.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    At least I am consistent in my views of people who use an event like this to push for their anti or pro gun platform. Are you consistent? I say the same about those morons on the other side of the gun debate who attempt to politicize an event such as this even before the families have a chance to bury their dead. It's disgusting and this idiot is scum.
    I think your consistency is admirable but your hyperbole is a bit silly. and yes its silly to be spewing out comments of a political nature before the Coroner has even finished his gruesome duties. But this comment appears to be in reaction to a guy who is well known in using the blood of innocents as fuel for his political attack on guns, Obama
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that seems to be a bit of hyperbole. the killer is responsible but disarmed victims are easier to kill. we saw lots of lefties blame Adam Lanza's mom for the sandy hook murders as well.

    Pond scum-LOL. the fact is, people who don't like the NRA are going to pretend what this guy said was horrible, those who find victim disarmament zones to be silly are going to note that this is another case where the body count was higher than it should have been if someone had been able to legally carry
    Do you agree with this portion of his statement:
    "Eight of his church members who might be alive if he had expressly allowed members to carry handguns in church are dead," Cotton wrote.
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    I have no personal connection to these men. Ricky and Taliesin died and Micah was severely injured because they chose not to sit by silently, instead, they chose to confront hate. My condolences to their families for their tremendous loss and my best wishes to Micah for a full recovery and long, fruitful life.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Do you agree with this portion of his statement:
    that is speculative. even if they had been armed, its speculation to say they could have drawn and effectively engaged the killer so as to save 8 lives. MIGHT be alive is probably a fair comment but if you asked me-the correct position is that if the victims had proper training and weapons, they would have had a better chance of surviving then those who have no weapons and no other training.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It wouldn't have had to be one of those nine people, for heaven's sake. Could have been anyone present.

    What we DO know is that making it a gun-free zone didn't stop the bad guy and HIS gun.

    Then how do you explain all the mass murders that weren't in gun free zones? That didn't seem to stop the bad guys either.

    “.....no more than one quarter of the shootings occurred in public spaces that were so-called ‘gun-free zones.”

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Do you agree with this portion of his statement:
    That statement is valid. To deny such validity is asinine. However, of course, his blaming the pastor for anything was uncalled for.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    He has never given us an explanation why churches should ban guns
    I think there is a pacifistic train of thought that says any form of violence is incompatible with Christian faith and Jesus' message. For example, I wouldn't expect a church full of Quakers or Mennonites to be packin'. At the other end we have the Catholic Church and its Swiss Guard, which is a veritable army tasked with defending the Pope and the various houses of worship at the Vatican.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Then how do you explain all the mass murders that weren't in gun free zones? That didn't seem to stop the bad guys either.

    “.....no more than one quarter of the shootings occurred in public spaces that were so-called ‘gun-free zones.”

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