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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    No. There is no-one to blame for this other than the one pulling the trigger, and to a somewhat lesser extent those who knew and failed to stop him, those who taught him to hate, and those who believe the same things he does. There is no way no know, there is no reason to believe that any of those 9 people would have been carrying or if one of them was that it would have made a difference.
    It wouldn't have had to be one of those nine people, for heaven's sake. Could have been anyone present.

    What we DO know is that making it a gun-free zone didn't stop the bad guy and HIS gun.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    He has no point. Churches should not allow guns in a house of Worship.
    Emanuel A.M.E. Church did not allow guns. We can all see how that turned out.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm just saying that the likelihood of him getting the death penalty is offset by the fact that whites rarely get the death penalty for interracial murder. The odds are basically 10 to 1 in his favor. Sure, it can be argued that this falls under the 'special' cases area, however seeing how things are already evolving, I doubt it will. The guy is going to get a nice comfy cell in solitary confinement at some super-max. 3 square meals a day, 1 hour of federally mandated rec-time. I still can't believe the judge called the killer's family victims and asked people to rally around them. They ****ing gave him the gun. Directly or indirectly they facilitated his actions. That **** really was a slap in the face to the families.
    I don't know if you can prove that claim. It is true that people who kill whites are more likely to get the DP than people who kill blacks. The race of the offender is not important. but one of the reasons why is that blacks who are murdered are far more likely to have records than whites murdered. and like it or not, DAs are less likely to seek the death penalty when a thug is killed. I remember as a young prosecutor meeting with the senior county felony prosecutor on a drug forfeiture case I had that featured a drug family and one of the witnesses was in country jail awaiting a murder charge, Apparently he killed a guy stealing drugs from the business. it had all the aggravating circumstances-a hit man, silencing a witness (the thief was gonna rat out the dealers) etc so I said "Is the guy under a possible death penalty spec case. and the senior county prosecutor said no-I said NO? he said no-its "the cockroach rule" you whack a cockroach and the County Prosecutor isn't going for a death penalty spec.

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    Death Penalty Found More Likely if Victim Is White - NYTimes.com


    The Death Penalty - Discover the Networks


    In his 1987 book The Myth of a Racist Criminal Justice System, Professor William Wilbanks cites an important study which found that between 1977 and 1984, white killers were actually more likely to get the death penalty than were black killers. Even more to the point, Wilbanks notes that "whites who had killed whites were more likely than blacks who had killed whites to be on death row, [and] whites who killed blacks were more likely to reach death row than blacks who killed blacks."[2]

    In their 1997 book America in Black and White, Stephan and Abigail Thernstrom cite what they call "the most careful statistical study" of the death penalty that was ever conducted. Commissioned by the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, this study analyzed some 2,500 murder cases that occurred in Georgia between 1973 and 1979. The researchers found that white defendants guilty of murder were 80% more likely (7.4% vs. 4.1%) to receive a death sentence than comparable black defendants. From these figures, no sustainable case can be made for the notion that black killers in general are disproportionately sent to death row.



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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Emanuel A.M.E. Church did not allow guns. We can all see how that turned out.
    He has never given us an explanation why churches should ban guns

    the only possible arguments (assuming he is not against CCW in other areas-maybe he is)

    1) church goers are less trustworthy or less able to carry firearms properly than car buyers, lingerie shoppers, restaurant diners etc

    2) No one would ever think of attacking a Church or if they do, God will smite them down

    nothing else could possibly make sense



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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You think the NRA is worse than NAMBLA? Could there be just a bit of hyperbole in your statement?
    to her it might be true-NAMBLA doesn't keep leftwing politicians out of office. NAMBLA doesn't advocate victims of crime shoot back. the NRA keeps leftwing politicians out of office and supports the intended victims of crime shooting their attackers.- that is really upsetting to many left-wingers.



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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    If the good reverend had given his consent to members to carry concealed weopons, it's possible someone would have been armed other the Mr. Roof. Not defending the NRA board member personally, just his logic, which is sound. The fact that he's right and touched a nerve is why his comments are getting such a visceral reaction from the anti-gun crowd. They just can't acknowledge that people who have the ability to defend themselves stand a better chance of not getting shot than those who don't. Seems like common sense, but then maybe I expect too much from liberals.
    No one other than a psychopath is going to carry a gun to a bible study meeting at church. I don't care if you are left, right, or totally non-political, other than nutjobs and psychopaths, no one is going to carry a gun to house of God other than a psychopath. Sometimes bad things happen. We cannot prevent every tragedy.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Charles Cotton is a despicable human being and apologist for murder with no consideration/thoughts at all for what the victims families and friends are going through right now.

    Pond scum has more worth than him.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    He has never given us an explanation why churches should ban guns

    the only possible arguments (assuming he is not against CCW in other areas-maybe he is)

    1) church goers are less trustworthy or less able to carry firearms properly than car buyers, lingerie shoppers, restaurant diners etc

    2) No one would ever think of attacking a Church or if they do, God will smite them down

    nothing else could possibly make sense
    Or,

    3) Sometimes bad things just happen and you cannot prevent every horrible thing that could happen from happening. You could make it legal to carry a gun into every church in American, but legal or not, no one other than a psychopath is going to carry a gun into the a house of God.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    It really bothers me that the NRA jumped to the politics of the issue almost as quickly as the President did. Confirms for me my decision to leave the NRA I made a few years back.
    From what I hear, there are many (Although smaller) better organizations out there that do nothing but stand for their point of freedom and keep out of these potential chances to ruin their reputation.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Charles Cotton is a despicable human being and apologist for murder with no consideration/thoughts at all for what the victims families and friends are going through right now.

    Pond scum has more worth than him.
    that seems to be a bit of hyperbole. the killer is responsible but disarmed victims are easier to kill. we saw lots of lefties blame Adam Lanza's mom for the sandy hook murders as well.

    Pond scum-LOL. the fact is, people who don't like the NRA are going to pretend what this guy said was horrible, those who find victim disarmament zones to be silly are going to note that this is another case where the body count was higher than it should have been if someone had been able to legally carry



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