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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It's a little more complex than most realize.


    In SC, you CAN carry a gun into a church IF you have permission from the Church.


    After some incidents several years back, MANY churches now have armed security of some kind... in many cases, members with concealed carry permits who have been authorized to carry in the church. Some churches, like my old home church, authorized all members to carry if they have a permit.


    This church chose not to.


    It might have made a difference.... we can't say for sure, but at least the possibility would have been there.


    I would question the NRA official's timing and wording a bit, as far as tact goes, but he's not entirely wrong.
    The big issue is that even though there is truth in his comments, it's swallowed by the timing and tact as you mentioned. In no way should a commentary be issued on the gun argument at this time, but especially not blaming the deceased in this, it was an awful time, place, and manner and appalling.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    The big issue is that even though there is truth in his comments, it's swallowed by the timing and tact as you mentioned. In no way should a commentary be issued on the gun argument at this time, but especially not blaming the deceased in this, it was an awful time, place, and manner and appalling.
    Obama immediately used this crisis to lament guns. The inanimate object. Where was the taste in that?

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Obama immediately used this crisis to lament guns. The inanimate object. Where was the taste in that?
    Oh trust me, I am the last guy who would ever give a Democrat a pass, Obama has been classless for every one of these. Neither side should be using this as a political tool, it is disgusting and a tactic I've named "dancing on the graves".
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    The big issue is that even though there is truth in his comments, it's swallowed by the timing and tact as you mentioned. In no way should a commentary be issued on the gun argument at this time, but especially not blaming the deceased in this, it was an awful time, place, and manner and appalling.


    Concur. The message had a certain amount of truth in it; the timing and wording of it were a bit idiotic, rubbing salt into a wound.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Concur. The message had a certain amount of truth in it; the timing and wording of it were a bit idiotic, rubbing salt into a wound.
    Honestly, the thing I caught most from the statement was blaming the victims. I never stand for that and it makes me wonder just who the hell appoints these types into high positions in organizations, whether that be a company, political group/party, etc.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Honestly, the thing I caught most from the statement was blaming the victims. I never stand for that and it makes me wonder just who the hell appoints these types into high positions in organizations, whether that be a company, political group/party, etc.


    Foot-in-Mouth disease is epidemic. In just the past 48 hours, we've seen/heard it from Obama, Hillary, Mittens McRomney, this NRA guy, several black leaders, and a host of media types. Call in the CDC, its a pandemic.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Foot-in-Mouth disease is epidemic. In just the past 48 hours, we've seen/heard it from Obama, Hillary, Mittens McRomney, this NRA guy, several black leaders, and a host of media types. Call in the CDC, its a pandemic.
    Yes indeed, that gives me an idea; let's quarantine them all immediately because it seems contagious.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Foot-in-Mouth disease is epidemic. In just the past 48 hours, we've seen/heard it from Obama, Hillary, Mittens McRomney, this NRA guy, several black leaders, and a host of media types. Call in the CDC, its a pandemic.
    Hey you forgot about Perry Are you a Texas a phobe or something?

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Hey you forgot about Perry Are you a Texas a phone or something?


    There's been so much of it going around who can keep track?

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Kinda seems hard to imagine the regime of laws that would have stopped this guy.
    English/American law depends on a presumption of innocence, and stiff, irrelevant, punishment, such as fines or imprisonment, which do not help the individual with his challenges in life.

    A regime of laws, that would affect the culture of violence, would be where individuals would receive incentives for acquiring skills related to their inability to handler anger, and other relevant emotional education.

    Even if the friends had reported Dylann Roof to authorities, No crime had been committed, and they did not know of a specific threatened plot with a date, time and place, so police would not have had a power of arrest.

    The ACLU felt that too many people were being institutionalized, when the States provided mental health hospitals, and formed an alliance with Reagan and the Pharmaceutical companies, to make civil commitments much harder to accomplish.

    There are a number of anger management and self-control courses, or regimens of therapy, that have been developed and are not exorbitant in price.

    The vision of reducing violence in America, could be for the Laws that would fund and incentivize anger management courses/counseling, for a citizen-friend-relative complaint that currently does not meet legal criteria of Guilt of a crime.

    Self-control improvement, children & crime : The Campbell Collaboration

    https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...ntrol+programs

    https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...ement+programs


    Alternatives to imprisonment are often regarded as coddling criminals. From the standpoint of recidivism, imprisonment is stupid.

    Reducing the occurrence of crimes of violence can be done without changing gun laws.

    The NRA has been against alternatives to prison, and have advocated more imprisonment as a solution to violent crime.

    Much violence is related to drug use, and withdrawal. There are many drug programs to help those whom drugs are a problem.

    The programs have been developed and researched as effective, but the utilization and incentivizing of self-help programs is not optimized in the world, or the US.



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