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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

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    Exactly right. The church had every expectation of safety here, they shouldn't have felt the need to carry to worship. This little prick decided on his own to "start a race war", and killed innocents in cold blood, there is nothing lower than what this little coward did.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Tougher gun laws might mean they would be able to go to church and actually, I don't know - worship? - instead of getting their heads blown off.
    What law(s) do you believe could have stopped this from happening?

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Tougher gun laws might mean they would be able to go to church and actually, I don't know - worship? - instead of getting their heads blown off.
    I wonder how many folks will be looking at strangers in church tomorrow feeling uneasy?

    And how do I reconcile my feelings that schools should have Home Rule on CC overriding state laws?

    And then the awful scenario this could happen at any event where a large number of people are gathered as they exit the building .
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If they want to be secure in an uncertain world, either that or having designated armed security personnel.
    It's no stretch to me... I've known for a long time, there is NO safety in this world except that which you create for yourself by your own efforts.
    If you prefer to live out a philosophy of total-non-violence-pacifism, that is up to you... and you are the one who will reap the consequences of that choice.
    I don't have a problem with conservatives pointing out black-on-black crime in our crime-riddled cities EVERY weekend.
    Yet I don't see solutions except to enforce existing laws--what are their plans to do that?
    I've discussed this matter with TD extensively--our resident expert on the law/guns--I mean that sincerely.

    My plan is to go into the most crime-ridden sections with a coordinated force of National Guard/State Police/City Police and cordon off one block at a time.
    Go in about 5:00 AM when gangbangers are sleeping in and hung over from some drug cocktail.
    Have the NG prevent anyone from entering and leaving--have the state and city police bring in dogs and all necessary armed equipment.
    The NG would prevent any residents from escaping--and would search them for guns and drugs--those without FOIDs would be arrested.

    You can imagine the uproar from minorities.
    Minority leaders must be brought on board at the BEGINNING of this process--including the Silent Majority of minority folks who want this crime cleaned up.

    CanadaJohn mentioned to me this is exactly what was done a few years ago in Toronto.
    There comes a time when extraordinary solutions must be applied to extraordinary problems .
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    The NRA is the most vile and disgusting organization in this country. Who in the hell wants to carry a gun to worship in church and how could anyone suggest that. They use every tragic event to promote their insane ideology. This group appeals to militia idiots and skin heads.
    I've carried while in a Church, and I know plenty of folks that have. I don't recall seeing any militia's pop up, though in a military community you will get a lot of dudes who shave their head out of convenience...
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Couldn't agree more. When they were interviewing his two friends on the news, and the friends were like, "Yeah he said he was going to go shoot up a school," I started screaming at the TV, "THEN WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY ANYTHING??" They have blood on their hands, too, and should be held accountable.
    That makes my blood boil, in a lot of these instances someone knew what the person was planning and either ignored it or dismissed it. I don't see how anyone could live with themselves after something like this knowing they could have done something, just place the call and have the situation checked out.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Tougher gun laws might mean they would be able to go to church and actually, I don't know - worship? - instead of getting their heads blown off.
    Kinda seems hard to imagine the regime of laws that would have stopped this guy.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I don't have a problem with conservatives pointing out black-on-black crime in our crime-riddled cities EVERY weekend.
    Yet I don't see solutions except to enforce existing laws--what are their plans to do that?
    I've discussed this matter with TD extensively--our resident expert on the law/guns--I mean that sincerely.

    My plan is to go into the most crime-ridden sections with a coordinated force of National Guard/State Police/City Police and cordon off one block at a time.
    Go in about 5:00 AM when gangbangers are sleeping in and hung over from some drug cocktail.
    Have the NG prevent anyone from entering and leaving--have the state and city police bring in dogs and all necessary armed equipment.
    The NG would prevent any residents from escaping--and would search them for guns and drugs--those without FOIDs would be arrested.

    You can imagine the uproar from minorities.
    Minority leaders must be brought on board at the BEGINNING of this process--including the Silent Majority of minority folks who want this crime cleaned up.

    CanadaJohn mentioned to me this is exactly what was done a few years ago in Toronto.
    There comes a time when extraordinary solutions must be applied to extraordinary problems .

    Yeah, well... it's a thought. I've said similar things about Chicago, Detroit, etc.

    Of course, there would be a lot of outcry about violating Constitutional rights... and not without some justification. There would be deaths... some drugged up 'banger would think he could take on the NG or Troopers, some sufficiently desperate bunch would convince themselves they could break through. As soon as people knew what was up they'd be ditching stuff fast as they could and shouting "not mine!' when it turned up. The courts would be clogged for years.


    Simpler IMHO to make it easy for the citizenry to get trained up and go armed and form armed Community Watch patrols... and watch the 'bangers lose a lot of their swagger or end up in the morgue. Be bloody, but personally I think it is better than the citizenry "thin the herds" when caught in the act than for the State to do it unilaterally. The State is already too powerful.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    The NRA is the most vile and disgusting organization in this country. Who in the hell wants to carry a gun to worship in church and how could anyone suggest that. They use every tragic event to promote their insane ideology. This group appeals to militia idiots and skin heads.
    You think the NRA is worse than NAMBLA? Could there be just a bit of hyperbole in your statement?

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Tougher gun laws might mean they would be able to go to church and actually, I don't know - worship? - instead of getting their heads blown off.


    Improbable.

    Clean record? Buy a gun from a gun dealer.
    Bad record? Buy a gun from a drug dealer. 300 million guns out there, many of them never registered.


    There's just very little likelihood of any gun control law having sufficient effect to seriously reduce these events, right up until the point where we search EVERY house and building in America with police and trained dogs and institute draconian controls... and the people aren't going to stand for that.

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