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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    If the good reverend had given his consent to members to carry concealed weopons, it's possible someone would have been armed other the Mr. Roof. Not defending the NRA board member personally, just his logic, which is sound.
    No it's not. The NRA frequently argues (correctly) that gun laws do not disarm anyone has the will to carry one, even in defiance of the law.

    If that's the case, then the legality or presence of any ban on guns within the church should've made no difference. If any of the church members wanted to bring a gun with him/her discreetly to the service, he/she could've done so.

    Hopefully, after this incident, they will.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Kind of true except for last week at the Dallas police station.
    That guy was just wanting to die I think.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    It's a little more complex than most realize.


    In SC, you CAN carry a gun into a church IF you have permission from the Church.


    After some incidents several years back, MANY churches now have armed security of some kind... in many cases, members with concealed carry permits who have been authorized to carry in the church. Some churches, like my old home church, authorized all members to carry if they have a permit.


    This church chose not to.


    It might have made a difference.... we can't say for sure, but at least the possibility would have been there.


    I would question the NRA official's timing and wording a bit, as far as tact goes, but he's not entirely wrong.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    No. There is no-one to blame for this other than the one pulling the trigger, and to a somewhat lesser extent those who knew and failed to stop him, those who taught him to hate, and those who believe the same things he does. There is no way no know, there is no reason to believe that any of those 9 people would have been carrying or if one of them was that it would have made a difference.
    I agree, but in the mythical world of the NRA where more guns equals less gun violence, it is not a question of one parishioner carrying,...

    They ALL should have been carrying guns and it was the pastors fault that they weren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibbler View Post
    I agree, but in the mythical world of the NRA where more guns equals less gun violence, it is not a question of one parishioner carrying,...

    They ALL should have been carrying guns and it was the pastors fault that they weren't.


    As I've said, the man's timing and choice of words was less than tactful.

    But he wasn't entirely wrong.

    At my old home church, any member with CCW is allowed to carry inside. We also have specific members as designated security who always carry concealed, including a retired LEO and a couple of vets. Odds that a Dylann Roof would have managed to shoot more than one person at any service at our church would have been very iffy.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    While I don't think they should be required to intervene physically(I would never advocate that). I think if someone has knowledge of prior intent and they do nothing, they should at least have some culpability. It may have been harsh to advocate accomplice charges because that would require a participation, there should be some minimal liability if a person has intimate knowledge of ill intent and says nothing until it is too late. In a lot of these mass murders, someone knew something and did nothing, there has to be some consequence to that IMO.
    Couldn't agree more. When they were interviewing his two friends on the news, and the friends were like, "Yeah he said he was going to go shoot up a school," I started screaming at the TV, "THEN WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY ANYTHING??" They have blood on their hands, too, and should be held accountable.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Are you suggesting that these AA churches now allow CC into their churches and succumbe to their beliefs ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    As I've said, the man's timing and choice of words was less than tactful.

    But he wasn't entirely wrong.

    At my old home church, any member with CCW is allowed to carry inside. We also have specific members as designated security who always carry concealed, including a retired LEO and a couple of vets. Odds that a Dylann Roof would have managed to shoot more than one person at any service at our church would have been very iffy.
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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    The NRA is the most vile and disgusting organization in this country. Who in the hell wants to carry a gun to worship in church and how could anyone suggest that. They use every tragic event to promote their insane ideology. This group appeals to militia idiots and skin heads.
    If you had a loved one in the church at the time of the shooting, would you rather they were carrying a gun?

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Are you suggesting that these AA churches now allow CC into their churches and succumbe to their beliefs ?


    If they want to be secure in an uncertain world, either that or having designated armed security personnel.


    It's no stretch to me... I've known for a long time, there is NO safety in this world except that which you create for yourself by your own efforts.



    If you prefer to live out a philosophy of total-non-violence-pacifism, that is up to you... and you are the one who will reap the consequences of that choice.

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    Re: NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    If you had a loved one in the church at the time of the shooting, would you rather they were carrying a gun?
    Tougher gun laws might mean they would be able to go to church and actually, I don't know - worship? - instead of getting their heads blown off.
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