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NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths

I'm not afraid of guns in the least. I own several, handguns, rifles, shotguns. Been shooting firearms since I was a child, and still do.

But in part because I've been around guns my whole life, I also do not pretend that they don't pose a risk. I've seen a guy in a dove field blow off the back off his ankle when he dropped his shotgun, I've been in a duck blind where the guy sitting next to me blew a hole in the blind across the guy on the end's leg, my brother took an "unloaded" .44 mag, pointed it at the head of our dog, moved it away at the last second, and blew a hole in the wall, three other times hunting I've seen people accidentally discharge their weapon, thankfully into the air. And that doesn't count the other times shooting skeet or trap when a gun accidentally discharged pointing down range - add 3 or 4 more.

So unless there is a reason for you to have a gun on your hip in my house, I don't want to have to worry one second whether you're an idiot or will do an idiot thing with that weapon in my house.

I think the problem is if you're being truthful, you've been trained to handle a firearm. Great, I admire that - seriously. But any yahoo who can print his name, and read it back, can get a carry permit, so I actually do not assume that people carrying firearms do know what they're doing. And I don't want to have to worry about those idiots in church of all places.



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See above. I have five guns within 20 feet of me as I type this.

And if you carry a gun into my church, you're demanding that I in many ways conform to your values.

Absolutely!! There is a time and place for everything. Church is a peaceful place, or at least it should be. I was raised around guns my whole life too. My Dad is a avid collector, I have never once heard him makes statements about taking someones life in defense. He considers his guns tools and I consider my gun sporting equipment and have never thought of using it to scare, intimidate, or kill someone. A good solution, other than terrorizing a peaceful place with open carry...are metal detectors mandated for every public gathering place with security personnel. We are creating a sad and paranoid world with our own opinions and thoughts about guns...to think that people are carrying guns in church, will drive the decent, and sane people out of these places and rightfully so. These attitudes are making me personally ashamed of owning a gun. To be lumped into the "wild wild west" gun owners is embarrassing...kind of like "wife of Ted Nugent". LOL Most of my friends do not even know I own one. I don't sit around bragging about what would do to someone if they broke into my house. Those who do this are classless and tasteless. Those who make these kinds of statements give the impression they are just as barbaric as the criminals who murder.
 
Absolutely!! There is a time and place for everything. Church is a peaceful place, or at least it should be. I was raised around guns my whole life too. My Dad is a avid collector, I have never once heard him makes statements about taking someones life in defense. He considers his guns tools and I consider my gun sporting equipment and have never thought of using it to scare, intimidate, or kill someone. A good solution, other than terrorizing a peaceful place with open carry...are metal detectors mandated for every public gathering place with security personnel. We are creating a sad and paranoid world with our own opinions and thoughts about guns...to think that people are carrying guns in church, will drive the decent, and sane people out of these places and rightfully so. These attitudes are making me personally ashamed of owning a gun. To be lumped into the "wild wild west" gun owners is embarrassing...kind of like "wife of Ted Nugent". LOL Most of my friends do not even know I own one. I don't sit around bragging about what would do to someone if they broke into my house. Those who do this are classless and tasteless. Those who make these kinds of statements give the impression they are just as barbaric as the criminals who murder.

LOL this is hilarious. yeah metal detectors at churches. so if someone is packing what happens without an armed guard or armed parishioners

so you are going to not go to church if you found out that the guy two rows down is packing

what about him being in a church makes him different than if he is at the mall or at a restaurant with you?
 
LOL this is hilarious. yeah metal detectors at churches. so if someone is packing what happens without an armed guard or armed parishioners

so you are going to not go to church if you found out that the guy two rows down is packing

what about him being in a church makes him different than if he is at the mall or at a restaurant with you?

It is not hilarious...it is a sad state of affairs that this country has arrived too. I felt that sadness when we had to install metal detectors in our schools and watch the students pass through them every mornings. It is necessary, but sad that our children have to be reminded of violence first thing in the morning before their learning even begins.
 
And to take this to its eventual conclusion - do people really want to live in society where nearly everyone is armed in all sorts of places doing all sorts of things all the time? Is that progress or regression back to the wilds of some communities in the 1800's ..... at least in myth or fiction of the old west?

An armed society is a polite society. And its not that people WANT to carry, its merely a recognition of reality-the cops likely wont be there to protect you when you need them. Just as having health insurance does not mean you want to be sick, or car insurance meaning you want to be in a crash.
 
It is not hilarious...it is a sad state of affairs that this country has arrived too. I felt that sadness when we had to install metal detectors in our schools and watch the students pass through them every mornings. It is necessary, but sad that our children have to be reminded of violence first thing in the morning before their learning even begins.

so what happens if someone packing a gun lights up the metal detector?
 
so what happens if someone packing a gun lights up the metal detector?

Send them home. Same as you would anyone else if they break the rule of "no weapons permitted".
 
Send them home. Same as you would anyone else if they break the rule of "no weapons permitted".

and if they are coming there to shoot and kill-I guess being told to come home will stop that
 
You think the NRA is worse than NAMBLA? Could there be just a bit of hyperbole in your statement?

I had to look up NAMBLA....and you accuse me of hyperbole...LOL. How stupid of a post. I did not know anything about this organization. How does it even fit into this discussion? WOW...
 
It is not hilarious...it is a sad state of affairs that this country has arrived too. I felt that sadness when we had to install metal detectors in our schools and watch the students pass through them every mornings. It is necessary, but sad that our children have to be reminded of violence first thing in the morning before their learning even begins.

The unfortunate fact is that shootings can happen anywhere. That includes places of worship-anywhere people are gathered. They are less likely to be stopped if there is a delay in getting armed individuals to the shooter. These are facts, regardless of how you feel about them.

Now if you, or anyone else makes the decision not to carry, or to allow concealed carry-fine. My problem is in making value judgement against others to wish to protect themselves, or seeking legislation to prevent them from doing so.

You said your dad had guns, if someone had broken into your home with a knife growing up do you think he would have used it to protect his family?
You say you have a gun, if the same happened to you-and the cops were minutes away when seconds count-would you use your gun?
 
what about him being in a church makes him different than if he is at the mall or at a restaurant with you?

You can throw french fries or Gucci bags at him in a restaurant or mall. In a church you can pray him to death.
 
I had to look up NAMBLA....and you accuse me of hyperbole...LOL. How stupid of a post. I did not know anything about this organization. How does it even fit into this discussion? WOW...

Yes, I do accuse you of hyperbole-you made the statement that the NRA is the most vile and disgusting organization in existence, which means you think its worse than nambla (an organization in existence).

So you see how easy it is to dismiss your post as hyperbole.
 
You can throw french fries or Gucci bags at him in a restaurant or mall. In a church you can pray him to death.

some of those hymnals are pretty heavy and a well thrown King James Bible could deter some of the most hardened gun packing heathens
 
and if they are coming there to shoot and kill-I guess being told to come home will stop that

It is a better solution than opening fire in front of children in a church. I am sorry, but your attitude toward guns and other like it on this thread are a embarrassment to gun owners like myself. This is what is turning people off from gun ownership. You act like you cannot wait to blow someone away. Gun owners are collectors, sportsman, and hunters, not wanna be cops itching to pull the trigger on a criminal.
 
Yes, I do accuse you of hyperbole-you made the statement that the NRA is the most vile and disgusting organization in existence, which means you think its worse than nambla (an organization in existence).

So you see how easy it is to dismiss your post as hyperbole.

The NRA was the topic of this thread...and the organization discussed as it pertains to guns. NAMBLA does not belong in this discussion. This is hyperbole.
 
It is a better solution than opening fire in front of children in a church. I am sorry, but your attitude toward guns and other like it on this thread are a embarrassment to gun owners like myself. This is what is turning people off from gun ownership. You act like you cannot wait to blow someone away. Gun owners are collectors, sportsman, and hunters, not wanna be cops itching to pull the trigger on a criminal.

wow this is getting funny

so some armed active killer comes to your church and he lights up the metal detector. and what are you going to do-Hey Klebold and Harris, Lanza or Roof-GO HOME. and then he shoots you down and takes out most of the people in the parish but what the hell, that's better than 3-4 of the church goers shooting the killer before he kills most of the children.

your hatred of the concept of self defense is pathetic and your claims about gun ownership are dismissed as being clear nonsense.

your comment about good people being armed on the small chance there might be an active shooter is nothing but silliness
 
The NRA was the topic of this thread...and the organization discussed as it pertains to guns. NAMBLA does not belong in this discussion. This is hyperbole.


yeah and when some hater of gun rights and the organization that helps promote those rights claims that the NRA is the most vile organization-ahead of groups that want to ban honest people being armed or a group that promotes pedophiliac relationships-it is accurate to point out your hysterical comments as being idiotic.
 
The impetus behind open carry laws was to close a loophole in concealed carry laws in which a person could be called to task if he inadvertently exposed his weapon in public. I agree that the sort of "in your face" parading of military-style weapons in public is probably not productive and was not the original intent of these laws.

When i worked in the state legislature for three years recently, much of my job was what we used to call "cleaning up behind the elephant". What that means is that the legislature passed law that now has come back to bite them in the ass as it did something not intended or foreseen. So now we had to change it .

If indeed open carry was intended to correct the sort of "oops" moment you just described - that needs to be corrected.

Twice when I worked for the legislature the capital grounds were visited by about two or three score of men wearing came and sporting rifles on their backs and pistols on their hips. One of these took place a short time after Sandy Hook. Dozens of school trips visiting the capital saw kids crying and panicked as they saw these men with visions of Sandy Hook in their heads. They left.

I really don't think we need a bunch of grown men in camp playing army running around pretending that "my ##$$ is bigger than yours and here it is in your face like it or not and you better just damn well get used to it cause I ain't going away.". Do we really need that sort of nonsense in our society.

You want to have a gun in your house? Okay my me.
You want to have a gun in your place of business? Okay my me.
You need a gun while you drive in your car between the two? Okay by me.

But I view this open carry issue like viewing somebody else reproductive organs. Sorry - but keep them in your pants hidden and I do not want to see them in public. Get a CCW and carry out of the public view. And if your jacket slips open and somebody sees part of a pistol - we can deal with that short of changing the damn law so you can brandish a rifle on your back in public.
 
An armed society is a polite society. And its not that people WANT to carry, its merely a recognition of reality-the cops likely wont be there to protect you when you need them. Just as having health insurance does not mean you want to be sick, or car insurance meaning you want to be in a crash.

And I have no problem with carrying weapons. Get a CCW and don't flash it in public just to show how manly you are and whose is bigger and badder. Grow up for heavens sake.
 
wow this is getting funny

so some armed active killer comes to your church and he lights up the metal detector. and what are you going to do-Hey Klebold and Harris, Lanza or Roof-GO HOME. and then he shoots you down and takes out most of the people in the parish but what the hell, that's better than 3-4 of the church goers shooting the killer before he kills most of the children.

your hatred of the concept of self defense is pathetic and your claims about gun ownership are dismissed as being clear nonsense.

your comment about good people being armed on the small chance there might be an active shooter is nothing but silliness

Fair enough...LOL. If you want to be lumped into a "Ted Nugent" gun owner, so be it. I have more class. You embarrass the majority of gun owners. Even our returning Vets from active combat do not make the silly statements that you do...LOL..and they actually have used a gun in self defense. They never brag about it like the willfully ignorant do. I am not sure what I would do in the event of a break in, it has never happened. But I am not going to sit around talking about taking a person's life with my 9mm...with a gleam in my eye. It is a personal matter where a decision will be made in the event it happens. This subject is brought up often in the lounge of the gun club my husband and I belong to...we laugh at people who make these statements. I don't want to be broad brushed as a gun nut because I own a gun.
 
And I have no problem with carrying weapons. Get a CCW and don't flash it in public just to show how manly you are and whose is bigger and badder. Grow up for heavens sake.

Well said....the problem I have is the paranoia from those who feel the need to carry in church or any other place. It is a attitude, "my dick is bigger than yours"...and this embarrasses the intelligent gun owners.
 
yeah and when some hater of gun rights and the organization that helps promote those rights claims that the NRA is the most vile organization-ahead of groups that want to ban honest people being armed or a group that promotes pedophiliac relationships-it is accurate to point out your hysterical comments as being idiotic.

You are getting more idiotic as you post...here you go...your hero!! Now put on Cat Scratch Fever and start dancing...LOL

Ted Nugent: 'More guns equals less crime' - CNN.com
 
The NRA would be more appropriately name if it were NAMGLA: the North American Man Gun Love Association.

ah poor Joe, your NRA hate continues to prove what I have said

You despise the NRA for opposing -often effectively-far left candidates. That is what really bothers you, not innocents being killed
 
Well said....the problem I have is the paranoia from those who feel the need to carry in church or any other place. It is a attitude, "my dick is bigger than yours"...and this embarrasses the intelligent gun owners.

I agree that these open carry zealots are doing no favors to gun owners in general.
 
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