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CBO Report: Repeal of Obamacare would ADD 100 Billion to the deficit

sorry you don't like having the best healthcare possible. I am simply letting you know that not everyone wants crappy government healthcare.

refer to the other five hundred times that i've debunked your claim with charts and links.
 
Where's California going to get the money to run their exchange when the Feds stop subsidizing it ?

California doesn't have any money of their own. Hell, they had to " borrow " 10 Billion dollars from the Federal government to pay for extended unemployment benefits.

Well, kiss that 10 Billion dollars goodbye. Leftist don't pay their bills.

You see, one of the MANY, MANY, MANY short comings of people on the left is their inability to look any further than their own superficial, simplistic narratives.

Oh, and Millions of Californians have picked up and moved everything they own ( including their money...hee hee hee ) to Texas.

So if Texas is a " Cesspool ", whats that make California ?

Hoards of people have picked up everything they own and have moved out of the Blue Plague State YOU live in too.

Whats that make your State ?

California has plenty of money 8th largest economy in the World, why are worried about how the state will pay it's bills? your not going there.

Google California Surplus genius, the great GOLDEN state's revenue has Soared to 8 Billion, THANKS DEMOCRATS!!, not bad for a state that gives out a bunch of freebies :lamo, by the way how's Mississippi doin?? How about Kansas????, oh my bad i should know that since both states are SO Red they look Burgundy...

TexASS HAS 14 % population on food stamps, California 11%, and i am glad folks have downsized and decided to relocate to TexASS, LESS TRAFFIC HERE AND MORE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS, to your state!! EVERYBODY WINS!! YAAAAYY

Leftists don't pay their bills, huh, See Kansas and Louisiana, both are in the crapper, buried in debt!! HMMM what lame excuses will you use to try to argue with that??

Since TexASS, is such a utopia on earth, Rick Perry will probably win the WH in a 2016 landslide:lamo

You have been schooled
 
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refer to the other five hundred times that i've debunked your claim with charts and links.

your charts mean nothing. you want crappy government care go move somewhere that has it. I want the best healthcare possible when I want it.
you haven't debunked anything.

you have been proven wrong so many time but you keep repeating the same old tired argument.

you will not get medicare. you will get Medicaid and since most doctors are not taking Medicaid anymore you will find it hard to find a doctor.
good luck with your government run healthcare when no one will take it and the government can't force them to take it either.

The great Obamacare-Medicaid bait 'n' switch
 
California has plenty of money 8th largest economy in the World, why are worried about how the state will pay it's bills? your not going there.

umm no it doesn't. CA is about as broke as broke can get.

Google California Surplus genius, the great GOLDEN state's revenue has Soared to 8 Billion, THANKS DEMOCRATS!!, not bad for a state that gives out a bunch of freebies :lamo, by the way how's Mississippi doin?? How about Kansas????, oh my bad i should know that since both states are SO Red they look Burgundy...

umm yea they didn't pay the pension funds that are promised. kinda hard to say you have a surplus when you haven't paid all the bills that are due.
The California budget's shrinking surplus - LA Times

trying to compare CA to MS or KS is an equivalency fallacy.

TexASS HAS 14 % population on food stamps, California 11%, and i am glad folks have downsized and decided to relocate to TexASS, LESS TRAFFIC HERE AND MORE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS, to your state!! EVERYBODY WINS!! YAAAAYY

I doubt all the people that are moving from CA are democrats.

Leftists don't pay their bills, huh, See Kansas and Louisiana, both are in the crapper, buried in debt!! HMMM what lame excuses will you use to try to argue with that??
comparing apples and oranges really doesn't support an argument.

Since TexASS, is such a utopia on earth, Rick Perry will probably win the WH in a 2016 landslide:lamo

You have been schooled

no he hasn't.
 
your charts mean nothing. you want crappy government care go move somewhere that has it. I want the best healthcare possible when I want it.
you haven't debunked anything.

you have been proven wrong so many time but you keep repeating the same old tired argument.

you will not get medicare. you will get Medicaid and since most doctors are not taking Medicaid anymore you will find it hard to find a doctor.
good luck with your government run healthcare when no one will take it and the government can't force them to take it either.

The great Obamacare-Medicaid bait 'n' switch

lol. your argument gets thoroughly debunked in one thread, and then you move right on to the next one like it didn't even happen. there's another subforum where they do that routinely.

CT.
 
Why do liberals never address the issue and constantly through out distraction arguments?
please address the fact that the state exchanges are failing.

Clever slick way to DODGE the question:mrgreen:,

You are a lot better at dodging, than addressing, you were probably a helluva dodge ball player in grade school..

I wanted single payer health system, anything less than that was going to be problematic for too many reasons to get into, that was pretty much acknowledged when the ACA was born in 2010.
 
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lol. your argument gets thoroughly debunked in one thread, and then you move right on to the next one like it didn't even happen. there's another subforum where they do that routinely.

CT.

you never debunked it to begin with.

you state you want medicare. you won't get medicare you will get Medicaid.

you complain about the cost. yet when shown why it costs you don't care you want 2nd rate LCD healthcare.
you evidently don't value your life or your health all that greatly.

unfortunately for you there are people like me that do value my health and my families health greatly and I want the best care I can get.
yep and you post the same thing in every thread even when you are shown why government healthcare stinks.

you want government healthcare look at Medicaid and the VA. if that is what you want leave me and everyone else out of it.
 
Clever slick way to DODGE the question:mrgreen:,

You are a lot better at dodging, than addressing, you were probably a helluva dodge ball player in grade school..

I wanted single payer health system, anything less than that was going to be problematic for too many reasons to get into, that was pretty much acknowledged when the ACA was born in 2010.

there was no dodge except on your part. you posted a bunch of irrelevant stuff and continue to do so.
why don't you quit projecting and just answer the question?

why do you want LCD healthcare? do you not value yourself better?
 
you never debunked it to begin with.

you state you want medicare. you won't get medicare you will get Medicaid.

you complain about the cost. yet when shown why it costs you don't care you want 2nd rate LCD healthcare.
you evidently don't value your life or your health all that greatly.

unfortunately for you there are people like me that do value my health and my families health greatly and I want the best care I can get.
yep and you post the same thing in every thread even when you are shown why government healthcare stinks.

you want government healthcare look at Medicaid and the VA. if that is what you want leave me and everyone else out of it.

refer to the most recent thread in which i debunked your arguments.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/obama...s-new-twist-6-500-silver-plan-deductible.html
 
refer to the most recent thread in which i debunked your arguments.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/obama...s-new-twist-6-500-silver-plan-deductible.html

again your opinion on the situation is not debunking anything. all you did was show the cost of healthcare in the US.

again the reason the cost is so high is that we have the best doctors, hospitals, procedures, medical technology and access to a wide variety of drugs
that other countries don't.

you ignored it and continued to say you want low grade LCD healthcare.
just posted the same chart over and over again.

and their costs are increasing as well.

i still don't understand why you don't value your health or the healthcare you get. yet you can't explain why you want low grade healthcare.
 
again the reason the cost is so high is that we have the best doctors, hospitals, procedures, medical technology and access to a wide variety of drugs
that other countries don't.

This is made up. Most of our health care doesn't need to be "the best," nor is it necessarily for any given service or product. A lot of it just needs to be basic standard stuff. Our costs are high because of a number of factors, mainly that we've declared health care a public good but don't administer it as one, and allow companies and industries to profit, sometimes immensely, in the provision of this public good.

Our choices are to administer it as a public good, or declare it not a public good at all.
 
again your opinion on the situation is not debunking anything. all you did was show the cost of healthcare in the US.

again the reason the cost is so high is that we have the best doctors, hospitals, procedures, medical technology and access to a wide variety of drugs
that other countries don't.

you ignored it and continued to say you want low grade LCD healthcare.
just posted the same chart over and over again.

and their costs are increasing as well.

i still don't understand why you don't value your health or the healthcare you get. yet you can't explain why you want low grade healthcare.

we've already covered all of this in multiple threads, and i've posted many charts, articles, and studies that support my position. you dismiss all of the data and then show up in the next health care thread spouting the same arguments that were already debunked. this is one of my least favorite "debate" tactics, and it is a complete waste of my time. go ahead and repeat your debunked assertions one more time, get in a dig, and then you and i can part ways. goodbye.
 
Darn, the FED wont print out $100 billion that we dont have, darn.

Who gives a crap? That $100 billion doesnt belong to the government, it belongs to the people. That is OUR money, not the governments. Maybe they should learn to spend within their means.
 
Repeal it because if its impact on the economy and on the Middle class


A growing economy equates to higher revenue and less dependance.

We could save allot more than a 100 Billion dollars if the law was gone completely

Fenton v. CBO.... misguided impression v. expert analysis. Unless you come up with something other than your own unsubstantiated impression, I suggest you take a seat.
 
This is made up. Most of our health care doesn't need to be "the best," nor is it necessarily for any given service or product. A lot of it just needs to be basic standard stuff. Our costs are high because of a number of factors, mainly that we've declared health care a public good but don't administer it as one, and allow companies and industries to profit, sometimes immensely, in the provision of this public good.

Our choices are to administer it as a public good, or declare it not a public good at all.

Umm no it isn't made up it is the truth. if you want substandard care then that is your decision. I want the best that I can get. I guess I value my families health better than
you do.
 
we've already covered all of this in multiple threads, and i've posted many charts, articles, and studies that support my position. you dismiss all of the data and then show up in the next health care thread spouting the same arguments that were already debunked. this is one of my least favorite "debate" tactics, and it is a complete waste of my time. go ahead and repeat your debunked assertions one more time, get in a dig, and then you and i can part ways. goodbye.

nope you haven't all you have done is post charts that say how much it costs. those costs have been explained.

I showed articles that show that the US is top in the world in medical treatment and you ignore it.
yes that is what you do you show up every thread and spout the same stuff that has been debunked.

you want LCD healthcare. you have failed to backup why you want LCD healthcare. as I said you might want LCD healthcare.
I am happy with the great healthcare that I have. I value my health more than you do.

that or you just want someone else to pay for your healthcare.
I will gladly pay the cost if it means I get the best.
 
Fenton v. CBO.... misguided impression v. expert analysis. Unless you come up with something other than your own unsubstantiated impression, I suggest you take a seat.

you have to remember that the CBO only grade what it is given. so if you give it a pile of trash (obamacare) then they will give what you want. it will be garbage but they will score it.

https://www.atr.org/cbo-still-refuses-score-obamacare-ignores-15-tax-hikes-healthcare-law

the CBO can't score obamacare or what it will do to the budget anymore because it has been changed so much.
 
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The report does find that the ACA is a drag on the economy, although not for the reason that most Conservatives might suspect (e.g. Employers trying to cut costs by not hiring). Instead, the primary source of the drag on the economy is the prediction that fewer individuals will choose to join the workforce if they are able to obtain access to affordable health care without working.

From the CBO report:

Repeal of the ACA would raise economic output,
mainly by boosting the supply of labor; the
resulting increase in GDP is projected to average
about 0.7 percent over the 2021–2025 period.
Alone, those effects would reduce federal deficits
by $216 billion over the 2016–2025 period, CBO
and JCT estimate, mostly because of increased
federal revenues.
and,

An end to the ACA’s subsidies for health insurance
coverage would generate gross savings for the
government of $1,658 billion
over the 2016–2025
period, CBO and JCT estimate. Those savings would
stem primarily from eliminating federal subsidies for
insurance purchased through exchanges and from
reducing outlays for Medicaid.
 
I am happy with the great healthcare that I have. I value my health more than you do.

that or you just want someone else to pay for your healthcare.
I will gladly pay the cost if it means I get the best.

Just to be clear, when you complain in thread after thread about the premiums you pay, what you're actually saying is "yes, these are appropriately matched to the quality of care I receive and the value I place on the services I consume"?

That puts a very different spin on your posts!
 
Umm no it isn't made up it is the truth. if you want substandard care then that is your decision. I want the best that I can get.

So does anyone who knows they don't personally have to pay for it, and that's part of our problem. And anyway, who said anything about "substandard care?" All I said is plenty of health care does not need to be world renowned expert care. There is all sorts of medical care and attention that can just be standard run of the mill. Would you pay the world's most experienced and exceptional doctor $1,000,000 to apply a bandaid if you could pay a Mexican nurse $15.00? Your answer will depend on whether you have to dig into your wallet for it, apparently, because if not, you'll choose the million dollar bandiad.

Not all health care needs to be the world's absolute best, and not all American health care IS the absolute best. American health care prices are beyond anomalous and American health outcomes are substandard. So our prices are not explained by exceptionalism, they are explained by policy failure.

I guess I value my families health better than you do.

That's obviously an ignorant thing to tell yourself. You should resign yourself to the fact this issue is too complicated for you to fully understand.
 
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Umm no it isn't made up it is the truth. if you want substandard care then that is your decision. I want the best that I can get. I guess I value my families health better than
you do.

Then you should probably move outside the country. I might suggest Cuba or Canada.
 
Then you should probably move outside the country. I might suggest Cuba or Canada.

Canada ?

Canadians get shipped across the border for treatments we take for granted as routine.

Cuba ? Lol.....

Horrible human rights record but great standard of Medical care, huh ?

Thats some contradiction.
 
So does anyone who knows they don't personally have to pay for it, and that's part of our problem. And anyway, who said anything about "substandard care?" All I said is plenty of health care does not need to be world renowned expert care. There is all sorts of medical care and attention that can just be standard run of the mill. Would you pay the world's most experienced and exceptional doctor $1,000,000 to apply a bandaid if you could pay a Mexican nurse $15.00? Your answer will depend on whether you have to dig into your wallet for it, apparently, because if not, you'll choose the million dollar bandiad.

1st off a doctor wouldn't apply a bandaid so lets start with that fallacy.
next you get what you get in other countries and since their standards are not up to our standards the level of care is not the same.

if I need a bandaid I go into the closet and get one for .50 cents.

actually our outcomes are number 1 in the world.
The Myth of Americans' Poor Life Expectancy - Forbes


Not all health care needs to be the world's absolute best, and not all American health care IS the absolute best. American health care prices are beyond anomalous and American health outcomes are substandard. So our prices are not explained by exceptionalism, they are explained by policy failure.

Read the link they are not substandard.


That's obviously an ignorant thing to tell yourself. You should resign yourself to the fact this issue is too complicated for you to fully understand.
You are projecting.

you obviously want LCD healthcare. I prefer not to have LCD healthcare. so it isn't ignorant at all. The government isn't going to give you the Cadillac healthcare plan.
you are going to get the bottom level Medicaid package.

so by wanting that you obviously do not really care about your health all that much.
 
Then you should probably move outside the country. I might suggest Cuba or Canada.

nope I know about the healthcare in those countries I will stay right here.
obviously you want that sort of system so you are free to move.
 
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