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    Re: CBO Report: Repeal of Obamacare would ADD 100 Billion to the deficit

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    we've already covered all of this in multiple threads, and i've posted many charts, articles, and studies that support my position. you dismiss all of the data and then show up in the next health care thread spouting the same arguments that were already debunked. this is one of my least favorite "debate" tactics, and it is a complete waste of my time. go ahead and repeat your debunked assertions one more time, get in a dig, and then you and i can part ways. goodbye.
    nope you haven't all you have done is post charts that say how much it costs. those costs have been explained.

    I showed articles that show that the US is top in the world in medical treatment and you ignore it.
    yes that is what you do you show up every thread and spout the same stuff that has been debunked.

    you want LCD healthcare. you have failed to backup why you want LCD healthcare. as I said you might want LCD healthcare.
    I am happy with the great healthcare that I have. I value my health more than you do.

    that or you just want someone else to pay for your healthcare.
    I will gladly pay the cost if it means I get the best.

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    Re: CBO Report: Repeal of Obamacare would ADD 100 Billion to the deficit

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Fenton v. CBO.... misguided impression v. expert analysis. Unless you come up with something other than your own unsubstantiated impression, I suggest you take a seat.
    you have to remember that the CBO only grade what it is given. so if you give it a pile of trash (obamacare) then they will give what you want. it will be garbage but they will score it.

    https://www.atr.org/cbo-still-refuse...healthcare-law

    the CBO can't score obamacare or what it will do to the budget anymore because it has been changed so much.

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    Re: CBO Report: Repeal of Obamacare would ADD 100 Billion to the deficit

    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
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    The report does find that the ACA is a drag on the economy, although not for the reason that most Conservatives might suspect (e.g. Employers trying to cut costs by not hiring). Instead, the primary source of the drag on the economy is the prediction that fewer individuals will choose to join the workforce if they are able to obtain access to affordable health care without working.
    From the CBO report:

    Repeal of the ACA would raise economic output,
    mainly by boosting the supply of labor; the
    resulting increase in GDP is projected to average
    about 0.7 percent over the 2021–2025 period.
    Alone, those effects would reduce federal deficits
    by $216 billion over the 2016–2025 period, CBO
    and JCT estimate, mostly because of increased
    federal revenues.
    and,

    An end to the ACA’s subsidies for health insurance
    coverage would generate gross savings for the
    government of $1,658 billion
    over the 2016–2025
    period, CBO and JCT estimate. Those savings would
    stem primarily from eliminating federal subsidies for
    insurance purchased through exchanges and from
    reducing outlays for Medicaid.
    "Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude." ~ Thomas Jefferson

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    Re: CBO Report: Repeal of Obamacare would ADD 100 Billion to the deficit

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    I am happy with the great healthcare that I have. I value my health more than you do.

    that or you just want someone else to pay for your healthcare.
    I will gladly pay the cost if it means I get the best.
    Just to be clear, when you complain in thread after thread about the premiums you pay, what you're actually saying is "yes, these are appropriately matched to the quality of care I receive and the value I place on the services I consume"?

    That puts a very different spin on your posts!

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    Re: CBO Report: Repeal of Obamacare would ADD 100 Billion to the deficit

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Umm no it isn't made up it is the truth. if you want substandard care then that is your decision. I want the best that I can get.
    So does anyone who knows they don't personally have to pay for it, and that's part of our problem. And anyway, who said anything about "substandard care?" All I said is plenty of health care does not need to be world renowned expert care. There is all sorts of medical care and attention that can just be standard run of the mill. Would you pay the world's most experienced and exceptional doctor $1,000,000 to apply a bandaid if you could pay a Mexican nurse $15.00? Your answer will depend on whether you have to dig into your wallet for it, apparently, because if not, you'll choose the million dollar bandiad.

    Not all health care needs to be the world's absolute best, and not all American health care IS the absolute best. American health care prices are beyond anomalous and American health outcomes are substandard. So our prices are not explained by exceptionalism, they are explained by policy failure.

    I guess I value my families health better than you do.
    That's obviously an ignorant thing to tell yourself. You should resign yourself to the fact this issue is too complicated for you to fully understand.
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    Re: CBO Report: Repeal of Obamacare would ADD 100 Billion to the deficit

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Umm no it isn't made up it is the truth. if you want substandard care then that is your decision. I want the best that I can get. I guess I value my families health better than
    you do.
    Then you should probably move outside the country. I might suggest Cuba or Canada.

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    Re: CBO Report: Repeal of Obamacare would ADD 100 Billion to the deficit

    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    Then you should probably move outside the country. I might suggest Cuba or Canada.
    Canada ?

    Canadians get shipped across the border for treatments we take for granted as routine.

    Cuba ? Lol.....

    Horrible human rights record but great standard of Medical care, huh ?

    Thats some contradiction.

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    Re: CBO Report: Repeal of Obamacare would ADD 100 Billion to the deficit

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Canada ?

    Canadians get shipped across the border for treatments we take for granted as routine.

    Cuba ? Lol.....

    Horrible human rights record but great standard of Medical care, huh ?

    Thats some contradiction.
    http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/me...irror_2014.pdf

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    Re: CBO Report: Repeal of Obamacare would ADD 100 Billion to the deficit

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    So does anyone who knows they don't personally have to pay for it, and that's part of our problem. And anyway, who said anything about "substandard care?" All I said is plenty of health care does not need to be world renowned expert care. There is all sorts of medical care and attention that can just be standard run of the mill. Would you pay the world's most experienced and exceptional doctor $1,000,000 to apply a bandaid if you could pay a Mexican nurse $15.00? Your answer will depend on whether you have to dig into your wallet for it, apparently, because if not, you'll choose the million dollar bandiad.
    1st off a doctor wouldn't apply a bandaid so lets start with that fallacy.
    next you get what you get in other countries and since their standards are not up to our standards the level of care is not the same.

    if I need a bandaid I go into the closet and get one for .50 cents.

    actually our outcomes are number 1 in the world.
    The Myth of Americans' Poor Life Expectancy - Forbes


    Not all health care needs to be the world's absolute best, and not all American health care IS the absolute best. American health care prices are beyond anomalous and American health outcomes are substandard. So our prices are not explained by exceptionalism, they are explained by policy failure.
    Read the link they are not substandard.


    That's obviously an ignorant thing to tell yourself. You should resign yourself to the fact this issue is too complicated for you to fully understand.
    You are projecting.

    you obviously want LCD healthcare. I prefer not to have LCD healthcare. so it isn't ignorant at all. The government isn't going to give you the Cadillac healthcare plan.
    you are going to get the bottom level Medicaid package.

    so by wanting that you obviously do not really care about your health all that much.

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    Re: CBO Report: Repeal of Obamacare would ADD 100 Billion to the deficit

    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    Then you should probably move outside the country. I might suggest Cuba or Canada.
    nope I know about the healthcare in those countries I will stay right here.
    obviously you want that sort of system so you are free to move.

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