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    Re: Obama’s Fast-Track Trade Bill Passes House in Second Attempt

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    It is apparent which certain companies will be the winner. Especially those connected to our so called and self alleged Trade Advisors. There is no reason to give any President this special lil privilege.....and never over trade.
    I empathize with some of those concerns, but believe a fast track process essentially puts trade negotiations on equal footing with other negotiations where the President negotiates possible agreements. Congress should, of course, turn down bad deals. But an amending process would basically require new negotiations, essentially taking away what is customarily a Presidential authority.

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    Re: Obama’s Fast-Track Trade Bill Passes House in Second Attempt

    Quote Originally Posted by WSUwarrior View Post
    That is why I would like Trump to be POTUS. He doesnt need the position to be wealthy. Hillary NEEDS the Presidency for her wealth....without it her influence ends immediately. The $250k speeches end.

    If Hillary loses, her little time pulling the puppet strings are over. The time of that family screwing with people are over. Stopping the political elite should be the goal of every American.
    Wha?

    Mr. Trump is so out-of-it he thinks the President is a Kenyan born Muslim who doesn't have a birth certificate! Can you imagine what a guy that far 'off', or drunk on the KoolAid, could do if put in-charge?

    And you're right - it's time to toss-out the political elites. but not by replacing them with financial elites, particularly one who runs to bankruptcy courts rather than face free-market consequences!

    Maybe it's time to replace them with non-elites? You know, put the government back in the hands of the people?
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    Re: Obama’s Fast-Track Trade Bill Passes House in Second Attempt

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I empathize with some of those concerns, but believe a fast track process essentially puts trade negotiations on equal footing with other negotiations where the President negotiates possible agreements. Congress should, of course, turn down bad deals. But an amending process would basically require new negotiations, essentially taking away what is customarily a Presidential authority.

    This part cannot be said any better. Which we know each time, the Office of the Presidency added what some would be termed creative writing, that had nothing to do with was in a written up in a trade agreement.

    Fast Track allowed the executive branch to unilaterally select partner countries for "trade" pacts, decide the agreements' contents, and then negotiate and sign the agreements – all before Congress had a vote on the matter! Normal congressional committee processes were forbidden, meaning that the executive branch was empowered to write lengthy legislation on its own with no review or amendments. These executive-authored bills altered wide swaths of U.S. law unrelated to trade – food safety, immigration visas, energy policy, medicine patents and more – to conform our domestic policies to each agreement's requirements.

    Moreover.....this is the New Day and Age. Any reason why the Office of the Presidency couldn't teleconference with Congress when conducting business? New tech and all. There shouldn't be any excuse why Congress couldn't answer the call?

    Do you think Congress should think about.....reducing their vacations and a lot of the time with the Camera? Limit those endorsements and things of this nature?

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    Re: Obama’s Fast-Track Trade Bill Passes House in Second Attempt

    Quote Originally Posted by penn1954 View Post
    I'm pist !!!!
    My congressman Stutzman who wants to be my next Senator voted for this POS!!

    Guess I wont be voting for senator next year unless its Libertarian!!
    You should know better than to vote for Stutzman in the first place. Just a partisan hack that votes party line. He has no character whatsoever.

    And btw just up the road from you.

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    Re: Obama’s Fast-Track Trade Bill Passes House in Second Attempt

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Wha?

    Mr. Trump is so out-of-it he thinks the President is a Kenyan born Muslim who doesn't have a birth certificate! Can you imagine what a guy that far 'off', or drunk on the KoolAid, could do if put in-charge?

    And you're right - it's time to toss-out the political elites. but not by replacing them with financial elites, particularly one who runs to bankruptcy courts rather than face free-market consequences!

    Maybe it's time to replace them with non-elites? You know, put the government back in the hands of the people?
    Red herring is delicious.
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    Re: Obama’s Fast-Track Trade Bill Passes House in Second Attempt

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    From Bloomberg.com:



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    It should be noted that the legislation in question is not a trade agreement. It concerns a process under which a trade agreement would be considered by Congress. In substance, it is similar to a closed rule, as there would be no amendments permitted and it would be subjected to a vote as is. Currently, negotiations remain underway and there is no Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) agreement.
    It doesn't matter what little hiccups happen along the way. Both parties are party to all trade bills that come down the pike which have always been beneficial to big business at the expense of American workers. Nothing will change.
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    Re: Obama’s Fast-Track Trade Bill Passes House in Second Attempt

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Very disappointed in the republican house.
    Why?

    From Bloomberg.com:

    “This is a vote for a stronger economy and higher wages. This is a vote for our system of free enterprise. This is a vote for American leadership,” said House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican, on the floor before the vote.

    The measure, known as trade promotion authority, would let Obama submit trade agreements to Congress for an expedited, up-or-down vote without amendments. It would give the authority to Obama and the next president for six years as part of a package that revamps U.S. trade policy into the next decade.
    If all this bill does is allow Congress to give an up or down vote on trade bills related to the TPP (which ultimately is the role of the Senate), why would you have a problem with it or House Republican's approval of this particular process measure?
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    Re: Obama’s Fast-Track Trade Bill Passes House in Second Attempt

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    The only thing these trade agreements end up trading is American jobs, and debt. I challenge anyone to show me otherwise. To show me how any trade bill EVER has made our country better off. Stop trading away our country you political assholes!~


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    If you really feel that way, then the thing to do IMO would be vote for Congressmen who will change tax law that provide incentives for American corporations to out-source jobs overseas. IMO, that's where the problem lay with our trade deficit and our ability to retain competitive jobs here in America.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It doesn't matter what little hiccups happen along the way. Both parties are party to all trade bills that come down the pike which have always been beneficial to big business at the expense of American workers. Nothing will change.
    See my post above.
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    Re: Obama’s Fast-Track Trade Bill Passes House in Second Attempt

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Why?

    From Bloomberg.com:



    If all this bill does is allow Congress to give an up or down vote on trade bills related to the TPP (which ultimately is the role of the Senate), why would you have a problem with it or House Republican's approval of this particular process measure?
    Once again congress voted for something without having congress critters familiar with the details of the bill. I don't for a second believe that Bloomberg knows the details and the details of the bill were not made public prior to the vote. This is a matter of the leadership not being responsible to the people. Republicans, Democrats, make no difference. It's disappointing if you believed their might be a difference.
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    Re: Obama’s Fast-Track Trade Bill Passes House in Second Attempt

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Wouldn't this legislation return the rule to what it was from 1977 to 2007?
    Sounds like it would to me. The 6-year trade limit is still there post-Nixon as MMC points out in post #7, but it seems to me that if Congress (Senate) has the authority to give such fast-track trade bills an up or down vote As-Is, you don't have this empirical president-like behavior taking hold again.

    Simply put: If Congress (Senate) doesn't like a trade bill proposed by the Executive, they can simply vote to reject it. Of course, the problem is how to avoid a party-line vote for or against?
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