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Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224:1119]

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there is plenty of privilege for blacks. Obama and the current attorney general are two examples.
and this isn't about black vs white privilege. Its about some messed up stone cold killer who shot a bunch of innocent people for apparently no rational reason whatsoever. and using this killer as some sort of pawn to complain about how blacks are treated in this country is silly

Oh Jeez, not the "we have a black president" defense. That's a single person. Now I tentatively agree that this killer had no rational reason for what he did, but then again, when is there ever a rational reason for killing someone in cold blood?
 
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I posted this earlier in this thread sooo....

the gunman said: “I have to do it. You rape our women and you’re taking over our country. And you have to go.”​

You may continue with your version now.
Not my version, that's what the left wants. Of course, they only apply it at their convenience.
 
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But it should be a slam dunk in SC since the police already labeled it a hate crime.

Hate crimes against white police officers in Ferguson, Mo and other cities are occurring all the time, with those perpetrators seeming swept under the rug, yet there will be a rush to convict this white kid for hate.


there are plenty of violations to basically permanently take care of the killer without needing "hate crimes" to placate the masses. I just don't get how its worse to say kill someone for racist reasons than say because you are a contract killer or you are shutting up a witness who plans on testifying against you in a narcotics trial. if its premeditated murder its malice aforethought
 
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Oh Jeez, not the "we have a black president" defense. That's a single person. Now I tentatively agree that this killer had no rational reason for what he did, but then again, when is there ever a rational reason for killing someone in cold blood?

I cannot think of anything that could possibly justify what the murderer did.
 
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Not my version, that's what the left wants. Of course, they only apply it at their convenience.

I brought a quote. You brought your jacked up unsupported wish list. Sorry.
 
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there are plenty of violations to basically permanently take care of the killer without needing "hate crimes" to placate the masses. I just don't get how its worse to say kill someone for racist reasons than say because you are a contract killer or you are shutting up a witness who plans on testifying against you in a narcotics trial. if its premeditated murder its malice aforethought

I think if it's a hate crime, there is more punishment meted out, but I agree with you, that first degree murder is about as heinous as you can get and either results in an execution date or life in prison. So how much harsher is a hate crime when compared to first degree murder?
 
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I think if it's a hate crime, there is more punishment meted out, but I agree with you, that first degree murder is about as heinous as you can get and either results in an execution date or life in prison. So how much harsher is a hate crime when compared to first degree murder?
nine counts of premeditated murder-if proven, is maxed out if you get my drift
 
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I've been following this myself. It supposedly happened right downtown.

With any luck, he'll be caught quickly.

Since the perpetrator wasn't a cop, he may go to jail for these murders.
 
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Have a feeling he will go the insanity route which is the usual route for a coward. The death penalty is too costly and too delayed.

I would rather see him tossed into general population. I know he was a tough guy with the gun , lets see how tough he is man to man.
 
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You'll have to explain why your comments alone telegraph you, with at least 95% certainty, that you are white.

Actually it'd be more around 75-80% since that is the white population of America (including white hispanics).
 
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Have a feeling he will go the insanity route which is the usual route for a coward. The death penalty is too costly and too delayed.

I would rather see him tossed into general population. I know he was a tough guy with the gun , lets see how tough he is man to man.

I hear banjos playing!!
 
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I will give your advice the amount of deference it deserves. and I tire of hearing how tough things are for blacks. Most of the problems facing blacks these days are caused by blacks. this shooting notwithstanding. because while we are discussing what appears to be an abominable racist attack on people who did absolutely nothing to deserve being shot down in a most cowardly and despicable fashion, dozens of blacks will be shot down in cowardly and despicable fashion by other blacks and that won't result in Obama speaking, the Attorney General speaking, or lots of discussions blaming this or that

And, unfortunately, this comes right from the top. The Obama's have made speech after speech over the last month or so fanning the flames of racism. Talking about how terrible it's been for them, the hardship of growing up in this horrible country. That even today, the poor Obamas (as they live in the lap of luxury and have the riches of this country at their disposal) tell us how hard it's been for them.

They've made the jobs of our finest much more dangerous, and left them hesitant to protect us from criminals.

These two disgust me and are a disgrace to this nation. The bodies aren't even cold yet, and BO is seizing upon their deaths as a political opportunity to further eviscerate the Constitution, which protects us from the likes of him.
 
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I just don't get how its worse to say kill someone for racist reasons than say because you are a contract killer or you are shutting up a witness who plans on testifying against you in a narcotics trial.

Bias motivation (hate crime), murder for hire and obstruction of justice all are sentencing enhancement factors, so the law doesn't necessarily say that one is worse than the other. The law makes harsher sentences available in all three of those cases.

All the sentencing enhancements have the same purpose- they are variants of the crime that are especially destructive or problematic for society. They're situations where the usual sentence is inadequate to the crime.

A bias-motivated murder, for example, is far more likely to prompt retaliation, to destabilize communities, to cause others to live in fear, to be used to intimidate other members of the targeted group, etc. For example, take the Supreme Court case that determined that bias-motivation sentencing enhancements are constitutional. A group of black kids got together and made a plan to attack a white person at random to try to drive whites out of their neighborhood. After they committed the assault, a gang of white kids attacked a random black woman, then a black gang retaliated against an unrelated white kid, and so forth back and forth until by the time it all died down, a dozen people, all except one of whom were completely innocent randoms, were hospitalized, 5 different businesses shut down and property values in the area dropped 9%. The usual penalty for a typical assault just isn't severe enough to reflect the amount of damage an assault like that sets off, so they law offers judges sentencing enhancements in those circumstances.
 
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Bias motivation (hate crime), murder for hire and obstruction of justice all are sentencing enhancement factors, so the law doesn't necessarily say that one is worse than the other. The law makes harsher sentences available in all three of those cases.

All the sentencing enhancements have the same purpose- they are variants of the crime that are especially destructive or problematic for society. They're situations where the usual sentence is inadequate to the crime.

A bias-motivated murder, for example, is far more likely to prompt retaliation, to destabilize communities, to cause others to live in fear, to be used to intimidate other members of the targeted group, etc. For example, take the Supreme Court case that determined that bias-motivation sentencing enhancements are constitutional. A group of black kids got together and made a plan to attack a white person at random to try to drive whites out of their neighborhood. After they committed the assault, a gang of white kids attacked a random black woman, then a black gang retaliated against an unrelated white kid, and so forth back and forth until by the time it all died down, a dozen people, all except one of whom were completely innocent randoms, were hospitalized, 5 different businesses shut down and property values in the area dropped 9%. The usual penalty for a typical assault just isn't severe enough to reflect the amount of damage an assault like that sets off, so they law offers judges sentencing enhancements in those circumstances.

hate crime designations at the murder level are generally designed to pander to certain groups. sentence enhancements for multiple murders is a waste of time. and yes I know why these laws exist and I don't agree with them. premeditated murder is a hate crime without the redundancy
 
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I can't imagine worse than sitting with his victims for an hour and then committing premeditated murder in God's house.

Yes, Roof was fixated on blacks. But he could've been fixated on anything--girls who rejected him, other gamers who outscored him, anything. Like other mass murderers, however, he nurtured his insane grudge, planned for months, and executed innocent people. Blacks, first-graders, movie patrons, and mall shoppers are all equally victims.
 
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And, unfortunately, this comes right from the top. The Obama's have made speech after speech over the last month or so fanning the flames of racism. Talking about how terrible it's been for them, the hardship of growing up in this horrible country. That even today, the poor Obamas (as they live in the lap of luxury and have the riches of this country at their disposal) tell us how hard it's been for them.

They've made the jobs of our finest much more dangerous, and left them hesitant to protect us from criminals.

These two disgust me and are a disgrace to this nation. The bodies aren't even cold yet, and BO is seizing upon their deaths as a political opportunity to further eviscerate the Constitution, which protects us from the likes of him.

As has so often been quoted, never let a good crisis go to waste.
 
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Folks, this guy has said he "Wanted to start a civil war". A race war between blacks and whites.


Now I think he's drastically over-estimating his own importance and the impact of his heinous action... but if we let it, this incident could be yet another brick in the wall separating us by race.



Let's not let that happen. Let's come together and condemn this as an act of senseless and abhorrent violence and hate by a evil person whose actions are NOT representative of white South Carolinians or white Americans in general.




Don't let him win. Don't let this drive us further apart in this time when we're already experiencing more racial tensions than we have in a decade. Let's stand together and not let one hateful young man drive yet another wedge between us.


I live in rural SC. Everywhere I've been today, no one is talking about anything else. Everyone says it was horrible. I've not heard one person, not even the scruffiest redneck, say anything affirmative about what this young hater did.

In the military, one of the greatest insults is to deliberately about-face and turn your back on someone, signifying they don't matter. Let's turn out backs on this hateful person and not give him the satisfaction of being a media star.


Let's have our time of mourning and grief for those we've lost, but let's not give this hateful little **** any more attention.
 
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I can't imagine worse than sitting with his victims for an hour and then committing premeditated murder in God's house.

Yes, Roof was fixated on blacks. But he could've been fixated on anything--girls who rejected him, other gamers who outscored him, anything. Like other mass murderers, however, he nurtured his insane grudge, planned for months, and executed innocent people. Blacks, first-graders, movie patrons, and mall shoppers are all equally victims.



I know, it is hard to believe isn't it? That he could sit with them for an hour of bible study and prayer, a very personal and spiritual form of interaction, an opportunity for him to see them as real people... and then to cold-bloodedly murder them. It is just almost inconceivable.
 
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hate crime designations at the murder level are generally designed to pander to certain groups. sentence enhancements for multiple murders is a waste of time. and yes I know why these laws exist and I don't agree with them. premeditated murder is a hate crime without the redundancy

Doesn't seem like you were able to come up with a counter argument. Again.
 
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Doesn't seem like you were able to come up with a counter argument. Again.

a counter argument to your OPINION that its the right wing that causes more terror: an opinion that was not backed up with any numbers or hard facts

or was it your OPINION that I didn't read your opinion where you tried to blame the right wing for all the terrorism in the USA and blame the RW for this killer before anyone has a clue what motivated him?

tell me why that requires any sort of rebuttal given it had no evidentiary support to begin with?
 
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Left wing terrorism-weather underground the SLA, the Earth First extremists, the unibomber, the ALF, have all been as violent as any right wing extremism. we have no idea what actually motivated this current rampage yet, though it appears to be the color of the victims

The main difference is that left wing terrorists in this country usually just attack property whereas right wing terrorists attack people.
 
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