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Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224:1119]

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I see you are a conservative, I see you, as your ilk, are focused on punishment and are avoiding motivation....and trying to distract with claims of my "celebration". Take your sick comments about me and shove them.

So I'm a self-identified conservative and as such, in your world, I'm not allowed to comment about the issue or the hate you spew. Is that right? Your comments in post #164 are bordering on hate speech. Kind of ironic.
 
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Right wing? He's a 21 year old kid. What makes you think this has anything to do with politics at all?

It's an election year - anything that can disparage the other side is worth trying as a meme... never mind it being accurate or truthful. It's all a grand right wing conspiracy you see... if it's evil, it's the "right". Just goes to show how far the ideological far left brainwashes.
 
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One of his former classmates/friends did an interview and said he was a conservative.

He was a twisted **** was what he was. Being a "conservative" doesn't paint all conservatives with the same brush that was used by the other poster. And one interview with one classmate doesn't make it a fact. His political lean has nothing to do with what took place. From what we have seen and heard so far, this was motivated by race and race alone. And the party of racists isn't the "conservative" one anyway.
 
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Same can be asked about calling something terrorism rather than just mass murder.....terrorism and hate crimes are more than just murder

Terrorism is usually an act designed to make people change their activities and lifestyles out of fear. Hate crimes - or mass shootings, like the one in the Connecticut, are more about freaks seeking some unspecified "revenge" for real or imagined wrongs. The school shooting struck more terror into parents' hearts than did 9-11, but it was still just a crime. The shooter here - will, hopefully - get the death penalty, but not because he "hated" rather because he pulled that trigger and slaughtered human beings. The tag of "hate crime" just gets in the way. It means nothing.
 
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Again, like so many cons, you stay focused on "punishment" and continue to avoid motivation.

You keep proving my point.

Then you don't have much of a point. Motivation can be a mitigating factor in court where it comes to sentencing, but the law shouldn't try to play mind reader. The law is about what you do, not what you think.
 
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There's a bit too much making hay over his ideology. Any ideology can be warped and used to validate killing other people.
When did DP liberals turn into Fox news...
 
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One of his former classmates/friends did an interview and said he was a conservative.



Why the **** does that matter? the last couple of spree killers were pretty left wing, it's not the politics, it's the ****ing nutball.
 
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Erod is saying it because he has a record of supporting police brutality, I say it because I doubt the victims of this crime will get proper justice. There is no shared sentiment.

Gotcha, the means is different. The end is the same. I want to see him tried quickly and executed. We don't need vigilante justice in this case at all. We need to see the wheels of justice grind this guy up as efficiently as possible. This way leaves the least amount of pain and evil in it's wake.
 
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Reports are coming in that Roof's primary target was Pickney because Pickney was pushing to have body cameras on police. This may not have been a hate crime after all. Instead it may have been a hit put out by the police union that turned sour.
 
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Why the **** does that matter? the last couple of spree killers were pretty left wing, it's not the politics, it's the ****ing nutball.

My point exactly.
 
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The "usual suspects" are out in force today, I see. :roll:

Either way, the guy is almost certainly a disturbed, anti-social head case, and would have been as such regardless of his ideology. Why can't we show some respect for the dead and just leave things at that?
 
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I really don't see the benefit of trying to point fingers and align this psycho with "the other guy's party" It's not important.
 
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The bombing of Pearl Harbor was perpetrated by Japanese and Japanese can't be trusted so we better round them all up. A "social conservative" did that?
A pathetic attempt to to divert from the motivation of the this White shooter, not to mention a complete ignorance of those who created and pushed the internment policy.

I'm sure you can come up with million diversions from viewing the motivations of Mr Roof.
 
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Reports are coming in that Roof's primary target was Pickney because Pickney was pushing to have body cameras on police. This may not have been a hate crime after all. Instead it may have been a hit put out by the police union.

There is a forum for this sort of stuff, it's called "Conspiracy Theories".
 
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Then you don't have much of a point. Motivation can be a mitigating factor in court where it comes to sentencing, but the law shouldn't try to play mind reader. The law is about what you do, not what you think.

For some people, every tragedy is an opportunity for social engineering and a seminar on the evils of Christians and conservatives. I'm surprised the gun banners haven't surfaced yet.
 
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He was a twisted **** was what he was. Being a "conservative" doesn't paint all conservatives with the same brush that was used by the other poster. And one interview with one classmate doesn't make it a fact. His political lean has nothing to do with what took place. From what we have seen and heard so far, this was motivated by race and race alone. And the party of racists isn't the "conservative" one anyway.
That's nice. I'm just saying that there is evidence that he was a conservative. Everyone can decide if that has any implications for themselves.
 
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Reports are coming in that Roof's primary target was Pickney because Pickney was pushing to have body cameras on police. This may not have been a hate crime after all. Instead it may have been a hit put out by the police union that turned sour.

No evidence to go with that I assume?
 
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Then you don't have much of a point. Motivation can be a mitigating factor in court where it comes to sentencing, but the law shouldn't try to play mind reader. The law is about what you do, not what you think.
FFS...I wasn't making a point about sentencing/punishment, and if you had any comprehension of what I have been arguing, you would have understood that instantly.

Good grief.
 
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Reports are coming in that Roof's primary target was Pickney because Pickney was pushing to have body cameras on police. This may not have been a hate crime after all. Instead it may have been a hit put out by the police union that turned sour.

Conspiracy forum is three doors down - don't slam the door on your way out.
 
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Terrorism is usually an act designed to make people change their activities and lifestyles out of fear. Hate crimes - or mass shootings, like the one in the Connecticut, are more about freaks seeking some unspecified "revenge" for real or imagined wrongs. The school shooting struck more terror into parents' hearts than did 9-11, but it was still just a crime. The shooter here - will, hopefully - get the death penalty, but not because he "hated" rather because he pulled that trigger and slaughtered human beings. The tag of "hate crime" just gets in the way. It means nothing.

Both are ideology based crimes. They both generally try to make people change their activities. The whole purpose behind the acts of the KKK was to punish whites and blacks for acting like races where equal. If you were a white that served a black? Cross on your lawn and who knows what else. If you were a black that wanted to be served in a white only establishment? Probably a noose. The purpose of white supremacist is to change activities and lifestyles. To force conflict between races or punish groups they target.

It's the same freaking thing...in fact if we didn't have such a long history of racial motivated terrorism it would probably just be labeled under terrorism.
 
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There's lots of evidence that he was a conservative. There's some evidence that he was a Republican. He's definitely a Christian.

As a Christian I take issue with this declaration. He may have "identified" as a Christian, but he is no more Christian than Rachael Dolezal is black. Less really.
 
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Really!?

Why would it not be a hate crime if the church was white?

Does not all murder require hate?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Based on what's now being reported (see below), I don't think there's any doubt this was a hate crime based on hatred of Black people. But let's assume the guy hadn't been caught yet and there were no witnesses to attest to what they heard or were told first or second hand.

It's easy to assume right off the bat that this was a racially motivated hate crime, i.e., white guy shots up a church killing 8-9 innocent Black people. But one of the victims was the church's Pastor and a SC Senator. From this, you could reasonable conclude that:

1) the shooter might not have liked the church's community out-reach.

2) the shooter didn't like something a specific church member did and took his anger out on whomever he saw around him during the Bible study session he attended.

3) the shooter didn't like the Senator Pinckney; maybe he was pushing a piece of legislation the shooter disagreed with.

Three very possible motives that have nothing to do with race. But like I said, I think it's safe to call this a hate crime based on comments from the lone survivor as reported by a third party.

[Dylan] Roof,[ the 21-year-old white gunman,] sat with churchgoers inside Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church for about an hour on Wednesday before opening fire, Police Chief Gregory Mullen said.

He reloaded five times even as victims pleaded with him to stop, a relative of [Pastor & SC Senator] Pinckney's said. Sylvia Johnson, a cousin, told MSNBC that a survivor told her the gunman reloaded five times during the attack. Pinckney tried to talk him out of it, she said.

"He just said, 'I have to do it. You rape our women and you're taking over our country," Johnson said.

Source: Suspect in killing of nine at black U.S. church arrested -officials

Sidenote: Thanks, Obama (pfft)
 
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re: Police: Multiple Victims in South Carolina church shooting [W:224]

There is a forum for this sort of stuff, it's called "Conspiracy Theories".
Is there a forum for those who insist on wearing blindfolds?
 
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Not really. Unless, you're suggesting the same officers were at all three events. :roll:

They don't need to be. Unless your contention is that police officers in OH receive an extremely different training than police in SC and NJ. If that's the case, then in that case, there is clearly something wrong with OH's training given their results.
 
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Then you don't have much of a point. Motivation can be a mitigating factor in court where it comes to sentencing, but the law shouldn't try to play mind reader. The law is about what you do, not what you think.

We are discussing a unique individual here, and who knows what's in the twisted mind of a mass murderer?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/shadow-boxing/201207/mass-murder-motives
 
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